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To what extent should LGBT people have rights?

Same-sex marriage should be legal.
382
79%
Same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal but same-sex civil unions should be allowed that entail most of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage.
39
8%
Same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal but same-sex civil unions that don't entail many of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage should be legal.
10
2%
Neither same-sex marriage or same-sex civil unions should be legal but same-sex sexual relations should be legal.
14
3%
Neither same-sex marriage or same-sex civil unions should be legal and same-sex sexual relations should be illegal.
41
8%
 
Total votes : 486

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri May 24, 2013 12:26 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Immoren wrote:
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You REALLY think that odds would be in your favour in such way you'd be upper class member instead of peasant?

We are upper class members.

We are enrolled in the best schools, we make the best grades, everything and anything to ensure our path to politics is successful.

Whatever you have to tell yourself...
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Postby Ensiferum » Fri May 24, 2013 12:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:
He may be right if he spend time in Bayern or even here in Baden-Württemberg as the CDU and the conservative factions hold quite a bit of power here compared to somewhere like Berlin or Saxony. I would say it depends on where he spent time, but overall I think more would be for rights than against them and at worst it's about 50-50.


The polls I found said around 3/4 give or take support recognition. Also as pointed out earlier, I grew up in an area that was 85% democrats. My neighborhood was 100% Jewish when I was younger (yay red lining). My experience is not the norm for the US.


True, it depends on the area though. I would say that it would be supported here but I can't speak for all Germans. I'm not to fond of polls myself but 75% even with a huge margin of error is still going to be over 60%. Here's hoping we get rid of that bitch Merkel this year and follow the lead of France and the U.K.

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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Immoren wrote:
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You REALLY think that odds would be in your favour in such way you'd be upper class member instead of peasant?

We are upper class members.

We are enrolled in the best schools, we make the best grades, everything and anything to ensure our path to politics is successful.

And I am in peak physical condition and graduated with 7 laudaturs from high school and have several Doctoral degrees and I am in polyamorous relationship with several hot guys and gals.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
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How about no? As someone of Prussian blood I can tell you it isn't a great system. Better than the Nazis, but far from a good system. Even for the rich and powerful it didn't work out that well as there was a thin line you had to walk and if your leader was making stupid decisions militarily you couldn't correct him. Plus the whole succession thing was, and still is, a mess. You know how many pretenders to the throne there are over here? Google it, I know of at least 4 but I'm willing to bet there are more than that. I understand it's summer though so I doubt you'll do that even.

I'm not sure what the season of the year has anything to do with the discussion.

Please do not claim to be Prussian and display your abhorrent anti-militaristic views and tolerance of the mentally ill.
Firstly, he/she said (to paraphrase) '...if a leader made stupid military decisions you couldn't correct him...', that in no way can be construed as being 'anti-militaristic'; instead against incompetent leadership.

Secondly, he/she didn't mention the mentally ill at all, so the second part makes no sense.

Lastly, I can see this thread going downhill fast.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Immoren wrote:
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You REALLY think that odds would be in your favour in such way you'd be upper class member instead of peasant?

We are upper class members.

We are enrolled in the best schools, we make the best grades, everything and anything to ensure our path to politics is successful.


Oh hai Aryan.

I bet you also have Aryan bitches lined up and down the street ready to give you ass while you drive your super-expensive German sports car.

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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:
Unlike most others, we do not give up because we lost a war.

Anyways, the way things are now, we'll all be in the upper class and have more influence than the peasantry

The sad fact is, that once you become educated you will almost certainly abandon such an idiotic idea.

And by "sad fact" I mean, "the reason why I am not in any way threatened by you."

I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.

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Postby Land of Tob » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 pm

Agritum wrote:
Land of Tob wrote:In my opinion (don't come hating!) they shouldn't be allowed to marry, but obviously they should have the same legal rights and civil rights, and so on (except marriage, of course).
Don't come hating, because I know it's gonna happen.

Just to know, why do you think they shouldn't?


They are human beings and not inferior, so they should just have the same rights. But marriage is not intended for same-sex (again, no hating. Thanks, having normal conversations in NSG is really difficult, you probably know that yourself ;)).

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Postby Ensiferum » Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:The sad fact is, that once you become educated you will almost certainly abandon such an idiotic idea.

And by "sad fact" I mean, "the reason why I am not in any way threatened by you."

I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.


You're 14. There is no way you have finished university.

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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:We are upper class members.

We are enrolled in the best schools, we make the best grades, everything and anything to ensure our path to politics is successful.


Oh hai Aryan.

I bet you also have Aryan bitches lined up and down the street ready to give you ass while you drive your super-expensive German sports car.

I am waiting until I am married for any sexual intercourse.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:The sad fact is, that once you become educated you will almost certainly abandon such an idiotic idea.

And by "sad fact" I mean, "the reason why I am not in any way threatened by you."

I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.

Alright well,
A) I don't believe you, and
B) That's really kind of sad.
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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 pm

Ensiferum wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.


You're 14. There is no way you have finished university.

I am not 14.

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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh hai Aryan.

I bet you also have Aryan bitches lined up and down the street ready to give you ass while you drive your super-expensive German sports car.

I am waiting until I am married for any sexual intercourse.

What a bore.
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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.

Alright well,
A) I don't believe you, and
B) That's really kind of sad.

That doesn't matter to me.

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Postby Ensiferum » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh hai Aryan.

I bet you also have Aryan bitches lined up and down the street ready to give you ass while you drive your super-expensive German sports car.

I am waiting until I am married for any sexual intercourse.


Again, you're 14. That's barely the age of consent here, let alone in Conservative America.

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Postby Ensiferum » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:
You're 14. There is no way you have finished university.

I am not 14.


Source?

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Postby Land of Tob » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Immoren wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I am waiting until I am married for any sexual intercourse.

What a bore.


Well, he's following the bible.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I already finished my university time.

It is because I am educated that I am who I am and believe in what I believe in.

Alright well,
A) I don't believe you, and
B) That's really kind of sad.
Narrow-minded worldviews usually are. :meh:
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Land of Tob wrote:
Agritum wrote:Just to know, why do you think they shouldn't?


They are human beings and not inferior, so they should just have the same rights. But marriage is not intended for same-sex (again, no hating. Thanks, having normal conversations in NSG is really difficult, you probably know that yourself ;)).


Marriage is a government institution. It is defined by however society at the time wants to define it. Right now society is headed towards defining it as between 2 people regardless of the sex and gender of either party.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:
You're 14. There is no way you have finished university.

I am not 14.


Yeah, you probably are.

And if you're not, you have the mental age of one.

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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Ensiferum wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I am waiting until I am married for any sexual intercourse.


Again, you're 14. That's barely the age of consent here, let alone in Conservative America.

You are confusing me with someone else, I am not 14.

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Postby Ensiferum » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:
Again, you're 14. That's barely the age of consent here, let alone in Conservative America.

You are confusing me with someone else, I am not 14.


Again, source? Sorry if I have to soften my language for you because you can't handle the real world. Do you need a psychiatrist buddy?
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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I am not 14.


Yeah, you probably are.

And if you're not, you have the mental age of one.

Well no, I am not.

I do not care if you think I am operating under an inferior mental capacity, it is irrelevant.

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Postby Land of Tob » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Land of Tob wrote:
They are human beings and not inferior, so they should just have the same rights. But marriage is not intended for same-sex (again, no hating. Thanks, having normal conversations in NSG is really difficult, you probably know that yourself ;)).


Marriage is a government institution. It is defined by however society at the time wants to define it. Right now society is headed towards defining it as between 2 people regardless of the sex and gender of either party.


Well, in the law obviously marriage is that.
But for me and maaaany others marriage is a bond with God, too. Same-sex marriage is coming into more and more countries, obviously you can't stop it. I also don't try to, I don't protest or anything like that. It's just my opinion. (No hate!)

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:
Again, you're 14. That's barely the age of consent here, let alone in Conservative America.

You are confusing me with someone else, I am not 14.


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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:32 pm

Land of Tob wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Marriage is a government institution. It is defined by however society at the time wants to define it. Right now society is headed towards defining it as between 2 people regardless of the sex and gender of either party.


Well, in the law obviously marriage is that.
But for me and maaaany others marriage is a bond with God, too. Same-sex marriage is coming into more and more countries, obviously you can't stop it. I also don't try to, I don't protest or anything like that. It's just my opinion. (No hate!)


I thought that marriage before god was called holy matrimony.
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