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To what extent should LGBT people have rights?

Same-sex marriage should be legal.
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79%
Same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal but same-sex civil unions should be allowed that entail most of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage.
39
8%
Same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal but same-sex civil unions that don't entail many of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage should be legal.
10
2%
Neither same-sex marriage or same-sex civil unions should be legal but same-sex sexual relations should be legal.
14
3%
Neither same-sex marriage or same-sex civil unions should be legal and same-sex sexual relations should be illegal.
41
8%
 
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri May 24, 2013 11:56 am

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.


You're right.

We should ban churches.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri May 24, 2013 11:56 am

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.

Very well. Since you asked nicely.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 11:57 am

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.


Marriage is a civil institution, also there are churches that would be very pleased to marry homosexuals before god.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri May 24, 2013 11:57 am

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.
Hey if a religious institution doesn't want the business, they don't have to give the marriage any holy sanctificaiton. Just as long as they keep their big noses out of the secular social contract of marriage. Yes I said marriage, because religion doesn't own the word.

That being said, any church that doesn't wish to perform holy sanctification ceremonies is only giving money to the Unitarian Universalists and ELCA Lutherans who have no problems with performing that all and collecting the fees to use the place...
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 11:58 am

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*wahwahwah* goes the crycopter.

I do not understand your comment.


I feel so sorry for you oppressioness. ;_;
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Fri May 24, 2013 11:58 am

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.


Why not?
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Postby Demen 2 » Fri May 24, 2013 11:58 am

Immoren wrote:
German Deutsche wrote:I cannot source a personal experience.

Our groups are very cautious about being public and things, because of how the disgusting liberals oppress anything that is considered right-wing extremist.


*wahwahwah* goes the crycopter.

Demen 2 wrote:I for one am still angry that I can't marry my goat.

Damn it, if Bill O'Reilly said that homosexual marriage means at some point I would be able to marry her, why don't I have my rights?

But yeah I support marriage equality


When she's uplifted to human level of sapience, I wouldn't have anything against that.

You took that post more serious than it was intended
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 11:59 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.
Hey if a religious institution doesn't want the business, they don't have to give the marriage any holy sanctificaiton. Just as long as they keep their big noses out of the secular social contract of marriage. Yes I said marriage, because religion doesn't own the word.

That being said, any church that doesn't wish to perform holy sanctification ceremonies is only giving money to the Unitarian Universalists and ELCA Lutherans who have no problems with performing that all and collecting the fees to use the place...


I really don't get why people don't realize how much money recognizing homosexual marriages could inject into the economy.
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 11:59 am

Demen 2 wrote:
Immoren wrote:
*wahwahwah* goes the crycopter.



When she's uplifted to human level of sapience, I wouldn't have anything against that.

You took that post more serious than it was intended

I blame alcohol.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Demen 2 wrote:
Immoren wrote:
*wahwahwah* goes the crycopter.



When she's uplifted to human level of sapience, I wouldn't have anything against that.

You took that post more serious than it was intended


Don't worry about it, we evil liberal antimoral thugs are working on it.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri May 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
It's not going to happen, because it's bullshit.

The overwhelming majority of Germans support same-sex marriage - and that's supported not only by actual polling but - far more importantly - by the anecdotal experience of my friends over there.


I know, I gave evidence that he was talking shit by sourcing a Wikipedia article that stated something around 3/4 support it. He complained that I sourced Wikipedia. I am still waiting, but I seriously doubt he has anything to give. I have only 1 friend currently living in Germany, and she says the same thing your friends are saying.


If the other poster isn't German, it's easy to be confused - since a lot of the politicians in Germany are opposed to same-sex equality - but I'm under the impression that the poster claims to be German.

Similarly, if it was someone who had last been in Germany a decade ago, the amount of the German population openly in favour, would have been considerably lower.

So the question is - is the poster not German, have they not been in Germany for quite some time... or are they making it up - because the truth on the ground is almost exactly the opposite of what they are trying to portray, right now.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I know, I gave evidence that he was talking shit by sourcing a Wikipedia article that stated something around 3/4 support it. He complained that I sourced Wikipedia. I am still waiting, but I seriously doubt he has anything to give. I have only 1 friend currently living in Germany, and she says the same thing your friends are saying.


If the other poster isn't German, it's easy to be confused - since a lot of the politicians in Germany are opposed to same-sex equality - but I'm under the impression that the poster claims to be German.

Similarly, if it was someone who had last been in Germany a decade ago, the amount of the German population openly in favour, would have been considerably lower.

So the question is - is the poster not German, have they not been in Germany for quite some time... or are they making it up - because the truth on the ground is almost exactly the opposite of what they are trying to portray, right now.


Oh the claim was even worse than that, the poster claimed that the people, unlike the German government, do not support recognition. The poster has been living in Alabama.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri May 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Hey if a religious institution doesn't want the business, they don't have to give the marriage any holy sanctificaiton. Just as long as they keep their big noses out of the secular social contract of marriage. Yes I said marriage, because religion doesn't own the word.

That being said, any church that doesn't wish to perform holy sanctification ceremonies is only giving money to the Unitarian Universalists and ELCA Lutherans who have no problems with performing that all and collecting the fees to use the place...


I really don't get why people don't realize how much money recognizing homosexual marriages could inject into the economy.
No kidding.

I mean holy shit, the second it gets fully legalized here in Illinois I've got crash-startup plans for a little chapel, wedding cake bakery, florist, and limo service all in one. Even if I get a small percentage of the business in Chicagoland I'd probably clear seven figures in two years if I play my cards right.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 24, 2013 12:05 pm

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.

If the priests at the church are okay with it, why not?

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:07 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I really don't get why people don't realize how much money recognizing homosexual marriages could inject into the economy.
No kidding.

I mean holy shit, the second it gets fully legalized here in Illinois I've got crash-startup plans for a little chapel, wedding cake bakery, florist, and limo service all in one. Even if I get a small percentage of the business in Chicagoland I'd probably clear seven figures in two years if I play my cards right.


Considering the number of homosexuals with families here in Utah, I would think once it is legalized (eventually) there would be a whole slate of wedding ceremonies getting planned.
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 12:09 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.

If the priests at the church are okay with it, why not?

"In the Name of Slaanesh I shall now pronounce you as husband and husband"


Yes. Yes. I know Church refers to Christianity.
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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Fri May 24, 2013 12:09 pm

Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.

1: Not all marriages happen in a church.
2: No all churches are against marriage equality.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri May 24, 2013 12:10 pm

Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:
Ahmedistan wrote:Oh sure. Same sex civil unions are fine, but two gay people? getting married in a CHURCH? Please.

1: Not all marriages happen in a church.
2: No all churches are against marriage equality.


They ran, we must be a pretty scary crowd.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri May 24, 2013 12:10 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:No kidding.

I mean holy shit, the second it gets fully legalized here in Illinois I've got crash-startup plans for a little chapel, wedding cake bakery, florist, and limo service all in one. Even if I get a small percentage of the business in Chicagoland I'd probably clear seven figures in two years if I play my cards right.


Considering the number of homosexuals with families here in Utah, I would think once it is legalized (eventually) there would be a whole slate of wedding ceremonies getting planned.

... get your fax ready cause I have a lot if info you need to see. First up a flower nursery has to be established. Next we need to start tracking down a 60s Bentley Limo for sale...
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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Fri May 24, 2013 12:11 pm

Immoren wrote:
Demen 2 wrote:You took that post more serious than it was intended

I blame alcohol.

I blame Finland. ;)
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Postby Meryuma » Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 pm



1. Marriage is a social construct. Marriage did not have to be between one man and one woman in the Bible; that was an invention of the modern West.

2. Homosexuality occurs in many species of animal.

3. I have a single parent and I'm fine.

4. You can stop participating in homosexual behavior but that doesn't mean you stopped being gay. Being gay refers to who you're attracted to, and is not a choice.

5. There's no correspondence between places where polygamy, cousin marriage and bestiality are legal and places where homosexuality is supported. In fact, there might be an opposite correlation.

6. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was rape.

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Postby Immoren » Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 pm

Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:
Immoren wrote:I blame alcohol.

I blame Finland. ;)

Well bestiality isn't illegal here...
...But animal abuse is.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 pm

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Madda wrote:I support the LGB community. I tend to be...grossed out by the T.

People eating casu marzu gross me out, but I don't see this as a reason to curb their rights.


I'm pretty sure casu marzu can be very bad for your health, seeing as how it's cheese so rotten that maggots have started to grow in it.

It's banned in the only place where it's considered a delicacy (somewhere in Italy, I think).

I'm not sure if transsexuality is equivalent to casu marzu, though.

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Postby German Deutsche » Fri May 24, 2013 12:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
If the other poster isn't German, it's easy to be confused - since a lot of the politicians in Germany are opposed to same-sex equality - but I'm under the impression that the poster claims to be German.

Similarly, if it was someone who had last been in Germany a decade ago, the amount of the German population openly in favour, would have been considerably lower.

So the question is - is the poster not German, have they not been in Germany for quite some time... or are they making it up - because the truth on the ground is almost exactly the opposite of what they are trying to portray, right now.


Oh the claim was even worse than that, the poster claimed that the people, unlike the German government, do not support recognition. The poster has been living in Alabama.


The people I know, our groups of youth fascists, and there are many of us do not support recognition.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri May 24, 2013 12:14 pm

German Deutsche wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Oh the claim was even worse than that, the poster claimed that the people, unlike the German government, do not support recognition. The poster has been living in Alabama.


The people I know, our groups of youth fascists, and there are many of us do not support recognition.
Still waiting on that source that states that the population of Germany is not in favor of marriage equality... the one that isn't your anecdotal experience. Maybe a survey, or a study, or something else that is quantifiable...
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