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Creationism vs. Evolution

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Enadail
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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Enadail wrote:Ah, then that's just my general confusion on the time period. I was under the impression the explosion is classified as starting at 580mil and going till about 500mil.

It's the first sentence in the article, Enadail. :P


3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D

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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 am

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Need a name wrote:Charles Darwin considered this sudden appearance of many animal groups with no known antecedents to be the gravest single objection to his theory of evolution. how about this?


Yes, a good scientist who puts forth a theory points out where the theory needs further explanation/clarification/testing so that scientist's colleagues and successors can expand knowledge.


Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up! creationism doesn't change or find facts against it it finds facts FOR it, again later i will get you your proof
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Postby Oceasia » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 am

Enadail wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:It's the first sentence in the article, Enadail. :P


3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D

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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 am

Enadail wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:It's the first sentence in the article, Enadail. :P


3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D


lol
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 am

Enadail wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:It's the first sentence in the article, Enadail. :P

3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D

Neither is midnight when you're supposed to be in class in 8 hours. :P
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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:07 am

Need a name wrote:


i am not watching a 3 hours lecture


And yet you want to know about the Big Bang. Its a complex topic that requires a complex explanation. The rest of us have either been through it in college or taken the time to study it ourselves. Either learn what you're bullshitting about, or expect to be mocked.

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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:08 am

Oceasia wrote:
Enadail wrote:
3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D

Where do you live?

It's 2 PM here, and i am in Java


New Jersey, USA.

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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:08 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Enadail wrote:3AM is not a good time to refresh my knowledge of early earth history :D

Neither is midnight when you're supposed to be in class in 8 hours. :P


If its college, bah, no such thing as enough sleep anyway. If high school, go to bed you youngin!

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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:08 am

ok, sometime when i fell like being bored or have free time i will consider watching it,
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Postby Hodori » Tue May 21, 2013 12:08 am

Need a name wrote:Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up!


As far as I understand this is how scientific theories work. By adapting and evolving as new information comes to light.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Tue May 21, 2013 12:09 am

Need a name wrote:
Page wrote:
Yes, a good scientist who puts forth a theory points out where the theory needs further explanation/clarification/testing so that scientist's colleagues and successors can expand knowledge.


Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up! creationism doesn't change or find facts against it it finds facts FOR it, again later i will get you your proof

Yes, that's what science is about. Scientists are willing to change their opinions based on new evidence, rather than creations who plug their ears and scream "LALALALALA" and ignore the world around them.

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Postby Muhammadia » Tue May 21, 2013 12:09 am

I think both should be taught.
Although Evolution would be harder for students because most if not all of the scientific evidence is with it.
Creationism would be the other non-logical theory that criticizes Evolution with less evidence to itself.
Atheists should demand teaching both, the comparsion will bring good numbers of converts to the heathens cult.

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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:09 am

Hodori wrote:
Need a name wrote:Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up!


As far as I understand this is how scientific theories work. By adapting and evolving as new information comes to light.


evolution evolves lol
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue May 21, 2013 12:09 am

Enadail wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Neither is midnight when you're supposed to be in class in 8 hours. :P

If its college, bah, no such thing as enough sleep anyway. If high school, go to bed you youngin!

True, I probably have a pop quiz for HILD tomorrow and I was supposed to read half of Inferno. And a chem midterm on Thursday... oh fuck. GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Postby Caecuser » Tue May 21, 2013 12:09 am

Need a name wrote:
Page wrote:
Yes, a good scientist who puts forth a theory points out where the theory needs further explanation/clarification/testing so that scientist's colleagues and successors can expand knowledge.


Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up! creationism doesn't change or find facts against it it finds facts FOR it, again later i will get you your proof


Creationism isn't very scientific then.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue May 21, 2013 12:10 am

Muhammadia wrote:I think both should be taught.
Although Evolution would be harder for students because most if not all of the scientific evidence is with it.
Creationism would be the other non-logical theory that criticizes Evolution with less evidence to itself.
Atheists should demand teaching both, the comparsion will bring good numbers of converts to the heathens cult.

No, because then we'd be giving it legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue May 21, 2013 12:11 am

Need a name wrote:
Hodori wrote:
As far as I understand this is how scientific theories work. By adapting and evolving as new information comes to light.


evolution evolve lol

This is the difference between a view that can improve, and a view that is doomed to stay exactly as wrong as it ever was.

Which, for creationism, is pretty damn wrong.
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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:12 am

Caecuser wrote:
Need a name wrote:
Evolution always changes to stuff that pops up! creationism doesn't change or find facts against it it finds facts FOR it, again later i will get you your proof


Creationism isn't very scientific then.


why does everything have to be about science, why is God creating the earth harder to believe than a bigbang from unstable nothing?
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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:12 am

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Need a name wrote:
evolution evolve lol

This is the difference between a view that can improve, and a view that is doomed to stay exactly as wrong as it ever was.

Which, for creationism, is pretty damn wrong.


why is it wrong? but answer the previous question first
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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:13 am

Muhammadia wrote:I think both should be taught.
Although Evolution would be harder for students because most if not all of the scientific evidence is with it.
Creationism would be the other non-logical theory that criticizes Evolution with less evidence to itself.
Atheists should demand teaching both, the comparsion will bring good numbers of converts to the heathens cult.


What scientific evidence is against evolution?

And given there is no evidence for creationism, why should we teach that any more then we should teach that Apollo pulls the sun with his chariot?

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Postby Caecuser » Tue May 21, 2013 12:13 am

Need a name wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Creationism isn't very scientific then.


why does everything have to be about science, why is God creating the earth harder to believe than a bigbang from unstable nothing?


Because we have Evidence for the Big Bang theory and Evolution. That's why.

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Postby Enadail » Tue May 21, 2013 12:13 am

Need a name wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Creationism isn't very scientific then.


why does everything have to be about science, why is God creating the earth harder to believe than a bigbang from unstable nothing?


Because there's no evidence for God. Or creationism.

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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:14 am

Enadail wrote:
Muhammadia wrote:I think both should be taught.
Although Evolution would be harder for students because most if not all of the scientific evidence is with it.
Creationism would be the other non-logical theory that criticizes Evolution with less evidence to itself.
Atheists should demand teaching both, the comparsion will bring good numbers of converts to the heathens cult.


What scientific evidence is against evolution?

And given there is no evidence for creationism, why should we teach that any more then we should teach that Apollo pulls the sun with his chariot?


the cambrian explosion against, very few if any in between fossils. againts
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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:14 am

Caecuser wrote:
Need a name wrote:
why does everything have to be about science, why is God creating the earth harder to believe than a bigbang from unstable nothing?


Because we have Evidence for the Big Bang theory and Evolution. That's why.


bull, unstable nothing doesn't count as facts
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Postby Need a Name » Tue May 21, 2013 12:15 am

Enadail wrote:
Need a name wrote:
why does everything have to be about science, why is God creating the earth harder to believe than a bigbang from unstable nothing?


Because there's no evidence for God. Or creationism.


Bull again, if you read the bible it is good at knowing what is going to happen
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"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day." -- Jesus Christ

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