Creationism vs. Evolution in School

[Divair]

Macro/micro explanation.


Another one:
http://i.imgur.com/PiSOz.jpg

Also lol @ "I believe in micro, but not macro"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... arity.html

[Xsyne]

How can you go around talking about "how we got here" without trying to explain where we came from? Those LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS that you people keep trying to avoid. Supposedly random elements (carbon, hydrogen, etc.) form together just exactly to form a single celled organism. Then after "millions" of years some single-celled organisms realized it would be cool to work together and became multicellular organisms. The after "billions" of years humans happen to be here after mutating and changing... Can someone please explain this?

I do not doubt that organisms have to adapt to their surroundings. I do, however, do not understand how complex organisms just happen to be existing on a planet that has just he right criteria for life as we know it.

Because they'd have a bloody hard time existing on a planet without the right criteria for life as we know it.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Thank you to all who cleared up the micro/macro for me.

[Tsuntion]

I do not doubt that organisms have to adapt to their surroundings. I do, however, do not understand how complex organisms just happen to be existing on a planet that has just he right criteria for life as we know it.

(Not looking at the abiogenesis part of your post because I lazy and it not so relevant.)

The odds of life as we know it happening to exist on a planet without the right conditions for life as we know it are nil.

Life as we know it exists because this is the life which has been able to survive given the conditions of our planet. If the conditions of our planet were different, life would be different or not exist, but if there was life, then that life would be life as we (well, they) know it. In the same way, a puddle is a certain shape because that is the shape of the hole it is in -- the hole was not made to fit it. If the hole is a different shape, the puddle will be a different shape too.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Macro/micro explanation.
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You might want to get treatment for that katana wound.

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Because you were just fucking ninja'd.

[Xsyne]

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.

Do explain how you calculated the odds of humanity coming into existence.

[Ifreann]

How can you go around talking about "how we got here" without trying to explain where we came from?

Simple really. We're not talking about "how we got here".

Those LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS that you people keep trying to avoid. Supposedly random elements (carbon, hydrogen, etc.) form together just exactly to form a single celled organism. Then after "millions" of years some single-celled organisms realized it would be cool to work together and became multicellular organisms. The after "billions" of years humans happen to be here after mutating and changing... Can someone please explain this?

Yes. You're conflating abiogenesis with evolution. Abiogenesis basically means "life from non-life", and to the best of my knowledge there are various ideas about how this happened, but none of them have anything to do with evolution. Evolution is only about how life changes over time.

I do not doubt that organisms have to adapt to their surroundings. I do, however, do not understand how complex organisms just happen to be existing on a planet that has just he right criteria for life as we know it.

So get a good biology education and try coming closer to understanding it if it bothers you.

[Nadkor]

I have no idea who you are, so I have no idea if this is true or not.

But if I did it was presumably because you were saying stupid things.

Stop saying stupid things.

See, the nicer way to say what you say is "Actually you're wrong and here's why"
You just say "You're an idiot shut the hell up"

Oh well.

[Tsuntion]

Also lol @ "I believe in micro, but not macro"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... arity.html

Wow, neat! I didn't know that had been observed. *bookmarks*

[Neo Art]

See, the nicer way to say what you say is "Actually you're wrong and here's why"
You just say "You're an idiot shut the hell up"

Oh well.

and yet, they KEEP TALKING don't they?

[Esternial]

Oh, yeah, just distraught.

Sorry, you just sorta jumped down my throat a couple times.

She's sassy.

[Ifreann]

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.

Do explain how you calculated the odds of humanity coming into existence.

I would also be fascinated to see the maths behind this.

[Josh Beaty]

How can you go around talking about "how we go there" without trying to explain where we came from? Those LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS that you people keep trying to avoid. Supposedly random elements (carbon, hydrogen, etc.) form together just exactly to form a single celled organism. Then after "millions" of years some single-celled organisms realized it would be cool to work together and became multicellular organisms. The after "billions" of years humans happen to be here after mutating and changing... Can someone please explain this?

I do not doubt that organisms have to adapt to their surroundings. I do, however, do not understand how complex organisms just happen to be existing on a planet that has just he right criteria for life as we know it.

Why do we need the origins to talk about the process? If I tell you a plane is flying, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where it comes from? If I tell you I walked across town, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where I live? If I explain to you how a car runs, do you need to know how the engine was designed and built in order to process it?

And you're wrong on one very important point the planet does not have the right criteria for life as we know it... life has adapted to fit the environment that is present on this planet.

We need to discuss the origin because 1) that is mainly where Creationists and Evolutionists disagree and 2) mainstream evolutionists base their origin on the big bang which has many flaws.
If organisms adapted to the planet, why then are scientists who look for life on other planets looking for earth-like atmosphere and characteristics?

[Yes Im Biop]

Evolution make's much more sense then everything poofing into the world. Andit's a hell of a lot more backed up

[Divair]

the big bang which has many flaws.

I gotta hear this.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Evolution make's much more sense then everything poofing into the world. Andit's a hell of a lot more backed up

You can't get more backed up than God's word, silly.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Why do we need the origins to talk about the process? If I tell you a plane is flying, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where it comes from? If I tell you I walked across town, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where I live? If I explain to you how a car runs, do you need to know how the engine was designed and built in order to process it?

And you're wrong on one very important point the planet does not have the right criteria for life as we know it... life has adapted to fit the environment that is present on this planet.

We need to discuss the origin because 1) that is mainly where Creationists and Evolutionists disagree and 2) mainstream evolutionists base their origin on the big bang which has many flaws.
If organisms adapted to the planet, why then are scientists who look for life on other planets looking for earth-like atmosphere and characteristics?

A) Source on the Big Bang thing, please?
Also, what created God?
B) Abiogenesis is NOT Evolution. Get it through your head.

[Yes Im Biop]

Evolution make's much more sense then everything poofing into the world. Andit's a hell of a lot more backed up

You can't get more backed up than God's word, silly.

I would trust a backing up car more than the word of any god.

[Nadkor]

We need to discuss the origin because ... mainstream evolutionists base their origin on the big bang

Bullshit.

If organisms adapted to the planet, why then are scientists who look for life on other planets looking for earth-like atmosphere and characteristics?

Because we know that life can and does exist on a planet with this atmosphere and these characteristics?

Do you really not understand this? Christ.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

You can't get more backed up than God's word, silly.

I would trust a backing up car more than the word of any god.

Typical atheist, disregarding irrefutable Biblical fact.

[Neo Art]

If organisms adapted to the planet, why then are scientists who look for life on other planets looking for earth-like atmosphere and characteristics?

Because we know that life can and does exist on a planet with this atmosphere and these characteristics?

Do you really not understand this? Christ.

Holy fucking shit did that just happened?

[DuThaal Craftworld]

the big bang which has many flaws.

I gotta hear this.

*Takes out tape recorder, notepad, pen*
And now the WHOLE INTERNETS WILL HEAR IT FOR ALL TIME!

[Divair]

Because we know that life can and does exist on a planet with this atmosphere and these characteristics?

Do you really not understand this? Christ.

Holy fucking shit did that just happened?

Yes, it did.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

I would trust a backing up car more than the word of any god.

Typical atheist, disregarding irrefutable Biblical fact.

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The bible, friends, is what we call a circular primary source.
What it says exists because of what it says exists, basically.
Therefore, the bible is relatable to any other fiction novel.

[Yes Im Biop]

Why do we need the origins to talk about the process? If I tell you a plane is flying, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where it comes from? If I tell you I walked across town, do you find it impossible to believe without knowing where I live? If I explain to you how a car runs, do you need to know how the engine was designed and built in order to process it?

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We need to discuss the origin because 1) that is mainly where Creationists and Evolutionists disagree and 2) mainstream evolutionists base their origin on the big bang which has many flaws.
If organisms adapted to the planet, why then are scientists who look for life on other planets looking for earth-like atmosphere and characteristics?

2: BWHAHAHAHAHA. No, They start on the 1st organism which as best believed. was a single cell little guy.

3: They look for earth like planet's because the life would likely mimic our own, Or our's theirs in some small ways. But Life could survive on any planet possibly.