Creationism vs. Evolution in School

[Enadail]

Evolution =/= fact.

Technically correct, it's a theory.

Then again, so is Gravity.

No, the fact of evolution is that things observably change over generations. It is a fact.

The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is the theory that explains the fact.

[Nadkor]

Evolution =/= fact.

Technically correct, it's a theory.

Then again, so is Gravity.

No, evolution is a fact.

The Theory of Evolution is the scientific theory that describes and explains it.

[Len Hyet]

*runs the fuck away*

How about everybody just calm the hell down, and let one person explain to me why I'm wrong at a time, instead of three. It's actually pretty damn scary.

Technically correct, it's a theory.

Then again, so is Gravity.

No, technically he's wrong. Evolution is a fact. Evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory, which contains many facts within it.

^ I vote Divair gets to be that person, because to be frank I don't know Enadail and I don't really like Nadkor

[Teronia]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)
Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.
Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

[Divair]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)
Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.
Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

No proof?

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms



No proof.

[Nadkor]

*runs the fuck away*

How about everybody just calm the hell down, and let one person explain to me why I'm wrong at a time, instead of three. It's actually pretty damn scary.

Aye, we're hive-minding the shit out of it over here.

I vote Divair gets to be that person, because to be frank I don't know Enadail and I don't really like Nadkor

Oh well.

[Ifreann]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)
Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.
Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

BINGO!

[Esternial]

*runs the fuck away*

How about everybody just calm the hell down, and let one person explain to me why I'm wrong at a time, instead of three. It's actually pretty damn scary.

Aye, we're hive-minding the shit out of it over here.

I vote Divair gets to be that person, because to be frank I don't know Enadail and I don't really like Nadkor

Oh well.

You must be devastated...

I can give you some money to buy some choco-loco ice cream.

[Nadkor]

Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not.

Stop lying.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them

Stop lying.

LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS

Stop lying.

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

I know that evolution is true.

[Len Hyet]

Dibbs

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution,

Why not? It makes perfect sense. One gene in an animal allows that animal to, say, eat higher up plants. A thousand years later, that subspecies develops a gene that gives them different coloring. And so on and so forth until there are two radically different species.

there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)

I beg to differ

Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory),

Then provide scientific evidence that comes from outside the Bible to disprove it.

AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Then provide scientific evidence that comes from outside the Bible to prove it

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

No. They don't. One is Scientifically Proven. The other was written in a book a couple millennium ago.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.

We were, to be blunt, smarter. The smarter we were, the longer we could survive and reproduce, thus resulting in smarter and smarter creatures. The dumber ones got eaten, the smarter ones discovered fire.

Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this.

Good on you

However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

You don't understand evolution do you?

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

No, I say "Evolution is scientific fact, and if you can't deal with that, I won't deal with you."

[Enadail]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)

Um... genetic mutations are not always damage, for example, blue eyes. We know blue eyes are a genetic mutation. And we have observed an organism changing from one species to a genetically incompatible other species.

Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

You don't know what a theory is obviously. Do you also believe we should teach aether theory? Intelligent falling? 5 elements? How about geocentricism?

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

Creationism has NO scientific evidence behind it.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.

I fail to see what odds evolution has to do with, or why evolution being true makes these odds less likely?

Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Evolution doesn't talk about where we came from... it talks about how we got here. But its only crazy if you don't know what evolution is, the mechanisms behind it, or the facts that support it. Or you could check out Divair's awesome list of links.

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

Because psychologically, people are highly uncomfortable talking in absolutes. People know, for the most part, you can never be completely sure of something, and fear being shown wrong. Plus, science accepts that nothing is absolute; its a core part of how science works. Though I've never heard someone make that statement, let alone everyone.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's rather humorous how most creationists assume Abiogenesis = Evolution.

[Len Hyet]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)
Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.
Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

No proof?

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms



No proof.

Can I just say I love it when Divair posts lists like these?

[The Communist Bears]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

[Divair]

It's rather humorous how most creationists assume Abiogenesis = Evolution.

BUT THEN HOW WAS OF LIFE INTO STARTING ATHEIST COMMIES? CHECKMATES.

JESUS LAWD ALL MIGHTY: 1
PEASANTS: 0

[Enadail]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

Depends on how you define creationism. By the typical American idea, its the notion that all life was created in its current form. Which is completely incompatible with evolution.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution

brung up that

brung

Do tell.

[Len Hyet]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

An interesting thought, and I assume you are suggesting that God sorta flicked his fingers and started the Evolutionary Process, correct?

While that is an interesting idea, since there is no definitive proof as to how life came to be (at least that I am aware of PLEASE DONT HIT ME), most creationists seem to be taking their cue from the Bible, in which it says "God created all creatures"

Which means everything from Dinosaurs to the very recent Anti-biotic resistant bacteria. Which is, untrue.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not. (Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)
Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory), AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.
Again, I personally believe that there IS a God and that He/She/It built the universe so it might be a tough sell, although I do believe that micro evolution is in fact real and it is in fact happening as I type this. However I demand logical answers, and I defy you to make it sounds like less of a religion than I get the picture of it being. Because it isn't any more crazy or insane for me to believe that there is a God, than for you to believe we come from primordial ooze. It might even be a bit more crazy)

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

I can't... I don't even... what? Do you even read what you type?

[Divair]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution

brung up that

brung

Do tell.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/brung

I told.

[Len Hyet]

Hasn't anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution can be compatible?

anyone brung up that Creationism and Evolution

brung up that

brung

Do tell.

Let the man have a typo

[Nadkor]

Aye, we're hive-minding the shit out of it over here.



Oh well.

You must be devastated...

I can give you some money to buy some choco-loco ice cream.

Oh, yeah, just distraught.

[Len Hyet]

You must be devastated...

I can give you some money to buy some choco-loco ice cream.

Oh, yeah, just distraught.

Sorry, you just sorta jumped down my throat a couple times.

[Esternial]

No proof?

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms



No proof.

Can I just say I love it when Divair posts lists like these?

Pretty much enough links to shut anyone up.

Hopefully.

[Tsuntion]

I (personally) believe that yes, the world was in fact created by someone (God), however that does not mean that a large portion of evolution is in fact true. Micro evolution, anyway. I have no clue how anyone can honestly believe in macro evolution, there is NO proof that this is even possible, and plenty that it is not.

The fossil record shows that evolution occurs at and above the species level. (Transitional fossils do exist, by the way.) Microevolution and macroevolution describe exactly the same process, just at different scales. To accept one and not the other is nonsensical.

(Namely, hybrids between different animals. And genetic mutation always equaling damage)

How are animal hybrids relevant here? Genetic mutation also does not always equal damage.

Quite frankly, I would like to see evolution taught as what it is, a theory (Not the fact that everyone claims it is, but just a very good, partially true, theory),

Evolution is a fact. Animals change over time. This has been observed on many occasions.

The theory of evolution by natural selection describes and explains the process of evolution. This is how scientific theories work. Calling it "just a theory" is not grounds for dismissal; in science, theories are just about the best thing you can have. The theory of evolution is built on facts, and is well understood and well evidenced and completely true.

AND creationism taught as a counterpoint, another theory if you will. And although in my opinion creationism is the truth, both should be taught, without anyone saying that this or that is the truth. Let those actually taking the class decide, then don't chastise them for their decision, as it would be their own to make and no one else's.

Creationism is not a theory. Creationism is not scientific, unlike evolution; it cannot even be a hypothesis because it makes no testable claims (well, if it makes some, please say). Creationism has no evidence. Creationism is not on an equal footing with evolution.

Because of these things, creationism should not be taught alongside evolution. Science classes should be full of science -- and we should not be afraid to call the science true when we know that it is, either.

Because both view points have scientific proof to them (although one more than the other), and both deserve to be offered equally in a class that will give both as counter points to each other.

One has scientific evidence. The other has no evidence and never will.

(Also, I would love it if someone were to explain to me how, if every single word of the theory of evolution was true, we manged to beat the LITERIALLY IMPOSSIBLE ODDS to even exist at all.

Why is it impossible?

First off, evolution ≠ abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the process by which life began.

Secondly, you are right that the odds of us humans existing are low. In the same way, the odds of a puddle which is of a very precise predefined shape existing are low. However, once there is life, the odds of some larger creatures evolving are very high. In the same way, once it rains, the odds of a puddle of some shape existing are very high.

Random thought: Has anyone noticed that, when asked, those who say evolution in total is true say "I believe evolution is true"?

What? No we don't. Evolution is true. I don't believe this; I accept it. Because it is a fact. Explained by a theory. And the theory is accurate.