Creationism vs. Evolution in School

[Bundesdeutschland]

It's basically what atheists and agnostics have thought of. What was Charles Darwin? An agnostic. Really the only people supporting this are atheists and agnostics from what I see.

I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic.

I meant mostly.

[Enadail]

Evolution in school only because there is evidence of it, not because of some "atheist culture movement".

It's basically what atheists and agnostics have thought of. What was Charles Darwin? An agnostic. Really the only people supporting this are atheists and agnostics from what I see.

Wait, the Roman Catholic church is atheist? HOLY CRAP! THE POPE IS ONE OF US!!!

Or, evolution is the idea that has all the facts supporting it.

[Divair]

I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic.

I meant mostly.

That's why the whole Catholic Church accepts it.


Ya'know. The one with a billion people in it.

[Nadkor]

One of these things is actual, like, fact (or as close as) and should be taught in science classes and stuff.

The other is creationism.

The fact that evolution is taught in science classes and stuff means absolutely nothing.

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

[Divair]

Oui, it does.
Evolution is fact, and the Theory of Evolution explains how it happens.

Things taught in school are just crap these days; you can't always trust what they say, can you? You really can't tell what is fact and what is faux these days.

Yes, you can. Quite easily. If you can't, that raises into question your abilities.

[Enadail]

I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic.

I meant mostly.

You are aware that with the majority of the world being religious, the same holds true for a majority of the religious community? Including evolutionary scientists? Among which over 99% support the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

[South Republican Vietnam]

It's basically what atheists and agnostics have thought of. What was Charles Darwin? An agnostic. Really the only people supporting this are atheists and agnostics from what I see.

Wait, the Roman Catholic church is atheist? HOLY CRAP! THE POPE IS ONE OF US!!!

Or, evolution is the idea that has all the facts supporting it.

Explain to me Evolution in full please so I can fully understand.

[Jamzmania]

The fact that evolution is taught in science classes and stuff means absolutely nothing.

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

[Divair]

Wait, the Roman Catholic church is atheist? HOLY CRAP! THE POPE IS ONE OF US!!!

Or, evolution is the idea that has all the facts supporting it.

Explain to me Evolution in full please so I can fully understand.

In full? Oi, that's a lot. Here, start with this:
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evol ... evolution/
http://ncse.com/evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHOjC4oxh8

[Divair]

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

Evolution, the process itself, is a known fact.

[South Republican Vietnam]

I meant mostly.

That's why the whole Catholic Church accepts it.


Ya'know. The one with a billion people in it.

The Catholic Church does not believe in it's own belief within it's own texts? Hypocrites they are!

[Nadkor]

Evolution in school only because there is evidence of it, not because of some "atheist culture movement".

It's basically what atheists and agnostics have thought of. What was Charles Darwin? An agnostic. Really the only people supporting this are atheists and agnostics from what I see.

The Archbishop of Canterbury in an interview with the editor of The Guardian:

Are you comfortable with teaching creationism?

Ahh, not very. Not very. I think creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. Whatever the biblical account of creation is, it's not a theory alongside theories

So it shouldn't be taught?

I don't think it should, actually. No, no. And that's different from saying - different from discussing, teaching about what creation means. For that matter, it's not even the same as saying that Darwinism is - is the only thing that ought to be taught. My worry is creationism can end up reducing the doctrine of creation rather than enhancing it

Clearly a filthy atheist.

[Divair]

The Catholic Church does not believe in it's own belief within it's own texts? Hypocrites they are!

In the 90's they changed their stance and now claim that evolution fits within the boundaries of their beliefs.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

Evolution = Fact.

[Ifreann]

Evolution in school only because there is evidence of it, not because of some "atheist culture movement".

It's basically what atheists and agnostics have thought of. What was Charles Darwin? An agnostic. Really the only people supporting this are atheists and agnostics from what I see.

If some theists feel they are under-represented in supporting the teaching of evolution and not creationism, perhaps the problem is those theists not supporting that, not some vast atheist conspiracy.

[Nadkor]

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

Stop lying.

[Enadail]

Wait, the Roman Catholic church is atheist? HOLY CRAP! THE POPE IS ONE OF US!!!

Or, evolution is the idea that has all the facts supporting it.

Explain to me Evolution in full please so I can fully understand.

This is not a science class, we're not here to teach you a relatively complex scientific concept when you can also easily google for it. I'm sure we can refine your understanding, but without knowing how much you know already, a full explanation could take hours.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

Wrong.

[South Republican Vietnam]

The Catholic Church does not believe in it's own belief within it's own texts? Hypocrites they are!

In the 90's they changed their stance and now claim that evolution fits within the boundaries of their beliefs.

Therefore they are abandoning their original belief in order to make themselves look good to the eyes of the world. Hmmm...seems legit.

[South Republican Vietnam]

Explain to me Evolution in full please so I can fully understand.

This is not a science class, we're not here to teach you a relatively complex scientific concept when you can also easily google for it. I'm sure we can refine your understanding, but without knowing how much you know already, a full explanation could take hours.

Rather years of ongoing droning.

[Divair]

In the 90's they changed their stance and now claim that evolution fits within the boundaries of their beliefs.

Therefore they are abandoning their original belief in order to make themselves look good to the eyes of the world. Hmmm...seems legit.

Welcome to the world of organized religion.

[Nadkor]

In the 90's they changed their stance and now claim that evolution fits within the boundaries of their beliefs.

Therefore they are abandoning their original belief in order to make themselves look good to the eyes of the world. Hmmm...seems legit.

Not really.

The Catholic church, like many if not most Christian churches, believes that Genesis is an an allegory for the real and actual events and processes of the big bang, the formation of galaxys the solar system and the Earth, abiogenesis, and evolution and that these things are all part of and within God's creation.

[Tsuntion]

Wait, the Roman Catholic church is atheist? HOLY CRAP! THE POPE IS ONE OF US!!!

Or, evolution is the idea that has all the facts supporting it.

Explain to me Evolution in full please so I can fully understand.

This is the quick explanation. It's a very simple idea. If you would like the supporting evidence, be prepared for linkspam.

I'll deal with animals because I'm used to it rather than writing about plants. Anyway.

There is life. Life reproduces. Sometimes, when an organism reproduces, things mess up a bit and the baby will have a genetic mutation.

This mutation might help the baby survive even better in its environment than all the other animals. If it does, then when the animal grows up it might have more babies yet. These babies will also have the good mutation, so they survive really well too. Because of this, the good mutation slowly becomes spread throughout the group of animals.

The mutation might also be bad. In this case, the baby might not survive so well, if at all, and it might have fewer babies of its own. This means that the bad mutation does not spread very far.

Sometimes the mutation isn't good or bad. In this case, it's fairly random as to whether it gets spread around the population or not. I think.

So, we can see that good changes get spread to more animals and bad ones get removed. This means that, over time, the group of animals will slowly change to fit their environment even better. Cheetahs become fast. Giraffes become tall. Camels gain humps. Birds get thin beaks if there are a lot of insects around to eat, because thin beaks are better at catching flies on the wing. Birds get thick beaks if there are a lot of seeds around to eat, because thick beaks are better at cracking open something hard. Birds get hooked beaks if there is a lot of meat around to eat, because hooked beaks are better at ripping open flesh to eat it.

This is evolution.

[Len Hyet]

Clearly your reading ability is so limited that you think that I thought it did.

Evolution is fact and therefore should be taught in science =/= evolution is taught in science and therefore is fact.

Not that I expect you to be able to understand the vast difference between the two.

Evolution =/= fact.

Technically correct, it's a theory.

Then again, so is Gravity.

[Divair]

Evolution =/= fact.

Technically correct, it's a theory.

Then again, so is Gravity.

No, technically he's wrong. Evolution is a fact. Evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory, which contains many facts within it.