18 Year Old Girl Facing Felony for Dating 15 Year Old Girl

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I didn't mean it in the Christian sense though if Cosara is a Christian then that's even more pertinent. Does God morally deem a person to be a rapist because of the laws written by men and what invisible state lines the humans in question were hypothetically having sex inside of?

God views this as pre-marital sex.

But you would see people locked up now, despite the fact that there have been millions of couples throughout history who were 18 and 15 and married in a Christian ceremony and virgins until their wedding night and went on to have a lifetime of consensual sex together.

[Cosara]

She's a felon.

Has a human 3 years younger than you ever shared romantic or sexual affection with you? (If yes, you are one who indulges in hypocrisy)

There's a difference between affection and sex.

[Evraim]

Honestly, rather than having an age of consent, judges should be given some leeway to decide on a case by case basis what is clearly a technicality and what is really abuse.

Just give her community service or something. I don't think her partner could technically consent, but prison and SO registry seems a bit harsh.

But you would see people locked up now, despite the fact that there have been millions of couples throughout history who were 18 and 15 and married in a Christian ceremony and virgins until their wedding night and went on to have a lifetime of consensual sex together.

What of the millions of coupes who were 12 and 25?

[The New Earth Coalition]

She knew the risks of what she was doing. And if she didn't , she does now.

Do you support cutting the hands off of thieves? How about stoning adulterers?

That's about how over the top this punishment is. It's ridiculous.

... but I do believe in magic...

[Dusk_Kittens]

Things should be crimes because they're harmful. They're not harmful because they're crimes.

This is what I said back on page 5 of this thread.

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Here's the post:
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[Lemanrussland]

If you don't like 'Murica then you can GIIIT out!

What, is no debate allowed in the USA?

So, if someone disagrees with a law and would like to see it changed, and expresses this interest on the internet, they should "get out"? Stop being an intolerant titty-baby.

[Cosara]

God views this as pre-marital sex.

But you would see people locked up now, despite the fact that there have been millions of couples throughout history who were 18 and 15 and married in a Christian ceremony and virgins until their wedding night and went on to have a lifetime of consensual sex together.

You have to balance God's Law with America's Law.

[Cosara]

Things should be crimes because they're harmful. They're not harmful because they're crimes.

This is what I said back on [url]page 5[/url] of this thread.

That's not how links work.

[Resora]

But you would see people locked up now, despite the fact that there have been millions of couples throughout history who were 18 and 15 and married in a Christian ceremony and virgins until their wedding night and went on to have a lifetime of consensual sex together.

You have to balance God's Law with America's Law.

Actually, "God's Law" and American law are entirely incompatible, thanks to that pesky little paper dominionists such as yourself seem to like to ignore when convenient: the US Constitution.

[Evraim]

Things should be crimes because they're harmful. They're not harmful because they're crimes.

This is what I said back on [url]page 5[/url] of this thread.

I'm actually discussing the issue of consent more so than harm.

Actually, "God's Law" and American law are entirely incompatible, thanks to that pesky little paper dominionists such as yourself seem to like to ignore when convenient: the US Constitution.

Not really.

[Mike the Progressive]

Honestly, rather than having an age of consent, judges should be given some leeway to decide on a case by case basis what is clearly a technicality and what is really abuse.

Just give her community service or something. I don't think her partner could technically consent, but prison and SO registry seems a bit harsh.

She shouldn't be punished at all, because in context this relationship was perfectly legal when she was 17 and younger, and became illegal the minute she turned 18. It just doesn't make any sense!

In truth it's moments like these that the judiciary should be given some room to look at the case and dismiss it, and focus more on those 50 year olds trying to rape 9 years (as you mentioned earlier).

But this really, really isn't rape. It is before the law. But the law needs to be changed.

[Resora]

This is what I said back on [url]page 5[/url] of this thread.

I'm actually discussing the issue of consent more so than harm.

You can't separate the two.

[Evraim]

I'm actually discussing the issue of consent more so than harm.

You can't separate the two.

Why not?

[The New Earth Coalition]

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So, if someone disagrees with a law and would like to see it changed, and expresses this interest on the internet, they should "get out"? Stop being an intolerant titty-baby.

[Cosara]

You have to balance God's Law with America's Law.

Actually, "God's Law" and American law are entirely incompatible, thanks to that pesky little paper dominionists such as yourself seem to like to ignore when convenient: the US Constitution.

Way to fail to get what I was saying.

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But you would see people locked up now, despite the fact that there have been millions of couples throughout history who were 18 and 15 and married in a Christian ceremony and virgins until their wedding night and went on to have a lifetime of consensual sex together.

You have to balance God's Law with America's Law.

God doesn't like compromise. In fact, I heard he can be quite jealous.

You are a Phoenecian worshiping Baal. Except you're an American worshiping the idol called your country's legal system. If there were a god I don't think he'd distinguish.

[Cosara]

So, if someone disagrees with a law and would like to see it changed, and expresses this interest on the internet, they should "get out"? Stop being an intolerant titty-baby.

Pic spam. Plz stop.

[Resora]

You can't separate the two.

Why not?

Because the necessity of obtaining consent is intrinsically connected to views on the harm of taking autonomy from individuals.

[Quelesh]

One of them turned 18 . . .

And an 18 year old having sex with a minor is a felony.

Is/ought. The law does not determine morality.

And, you would maintain that an average eighteen year old possesses a level of maturity comparable to an average fifteen year old? I would disagree.

I maintain that differences within groups in this case are far greater than differences between groups. I also maintain that maturity is a highly amorphous, vague quality.

Because there has to be a line somewhere.

Any line will necessarily be arbitrary and unjust, and I reject its necessity. This is as true regarding voting, owning property, signing legally-binding contracts, possessing alcohol, etc., as it is with sex. Age is a poor proxy for the vague mental quality that we call "maturity" anyway, and maturity only one of many continua comprising what we call capacity to consent.

Yes, let's start locking up even more people for victimless crimes. Let's just abandon the idea of the government serving to BETTER the lives of citizens.

It will be making the lives of citizens better, by removing these sick people out of the way.

Why are 15-year-olds who have mutually voluntary, enthusiastic sex with each other "sick"? This has been going on for the entire history of the human species.

Why should we make exceptions to the law?

Because the law itself is immoral.

[Lemanrussland]

Pic spam. Plz stop.

You should spoiler it, so it's not creating a quote pyramid of picture spam.

Sorry about not spoilering it in my original post.

[Resora]

Actually, "God's Law" and American law are entirely incompatible, thanks to that pesky little paper dominionists such as yourself seem to like to ignore when convenient: the US Constitution.

Way to fail to get what I was saying.

No, I think I got it better than you might suspect.

[Evraim]

She shouldn't be punished at all, because in context this relationship was perfectly legal when she was 17 and younger, and became illegal the minute she turned 18. It just doesn't make any sense!

In truth it's moments like these that the judiciary should be given some room to look at the case and dismiss it, and focus more on those 50 year olds trying to rape 9 years (as you mentioned earlier).

But this really, really isn't rape. It is before the law. But the law needs to be changed.

I think the cut-off line is legitimate for reasons I mentioned previously, namely general levels of maturity and judicial consistency.

With that, I wish you all a good night.

Any line will necessarily be arbitrary and unjust, and I reject its necessity. This is as true regarding voting, owning property, signing legally-binding contracts, possessing alcohol, etc., as it is with sex. Age is a poor proxy for the vague mental quality that we call "maturity" anyway, and maturity only one of many continua comprising what we call capacity to consent.

How then do you organize and structure the social system? Testing? Personal discretion?

[Mike the Progressive]

She shouldn't be punished at all, because in context this relationship was perfectly legal when she was 17 and younger, and became illegal the minute she turned 18. It just doesn't make any sense!

In truth it's moments like these that the judiciary should be given some room to look at the case and dismiss it, and focus more on those 50 year olds trying to rape 9 years (as you mentioned earlier).

But this really, really isn't rape. It is before the law. But the law needs to be changed.

I think the cut-off line is legitimate for reasons I mentioned previously, namely general levels of maturity and judicial consistency.

With that, I wish you all a good night.

Fair enough, not sure how much I agree, but fair enough.

Night.

[The New Earth Coalition]

Why not?

Because the necessity of obtaining consent is intrinsically connected to views on the harm of taking autonomy from individuals.

No its not. You can say "no" when asked for consent.

[The New Earth Coalition]

Pic spam. Plz stop.

You should spoiler it, so it's not creating a quote pyramid of picture spam.

Sorry about not spoilering it in my original post.

Ditto.