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Postby Haydenish People » Sun May 19, 2013 9:40 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Haydenish People wrote:There is nothing to debate. The only reason this is making news is because they were lesbians. If it were an 18-year-old man and a 15-year-old girl, no one would care. Underage sexual activity is illegal, she was found guilty, justice was served.

How many times do we have to say that that's not true before you believe it?


I agree, no one was harmed. It was not rape or sexual assault. Although she was prosecuted correctly under Florida law, it is pointless and cruel to jail someone on the basis of age on consent laws.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 19, 2013 9:40 pm

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No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

Al... let's not go down this road.

This, just quit it. It's pathetic.

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Postby Resora » Sun May 19, 2013 9:40 pm

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Resora wrote:Like I said, a very boring person.

You do realize that engaging in sexual intercourse does not preclude a person from being boring, yes? And that many interesting people elect to not engage in sexual intercourse? This is where I insert my stereotypes are bad speech.

Perhaps not, but attitudes like these
Zweite Alaje wrote:No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

certainly support the "insufferable boring person" hypothesis.
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 19, 2013 9:41 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Resora wrote:So you didn't have sex before you turned 18? You're either a very boring person or a very unattractive person.


No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

Do you have any idea how many people you called whores right here on NSG? :blink:
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Postby Cosara » Sun May 19, 2013 9:41 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:How many times do we have to say that that's not true before you believe it?

I agree, no one was harmed. It was not rape or sexual assault. Although she was prosecuted correctly under Florida law, it is pointless and cruel to jail someone on the basis of age on consent laws.

Nope. Age of Consent keeps the Pedobear illegal.
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 19, 2013 9:43 pm

Evraim wrote:
Resora wrote:Like I said, a very boring person.

You do realize that engaging in sexual intercourse does not preclude a person from being boring, yes? And that many interesting people elect to not engage in sexual intercourse? This is where I insert my stereotypes are bad speech.

Bralia wrote:Hm, true enough. X.X. Cameras in theirs wouldn't do it, you know. Horny teenagers will always find a way . . .

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Public bathrooms, schools, the local habadashery, the list truly could go on forever . . .
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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 19, 2013 9:43 pm

Bralia wrote:
Evraim wrote:You do realize that engaging in sexual intercourse does not preclude a person from being boring, yes? And that many interesting people elect to not engage in sexual intercourse? This is where I insert my stereotypes are bad speech.


Cars. Theatres. The beach.

Public bathrooms, schools, the local habadashery, the list truly could go on forever . . .

But think of the children!

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun May 19, 2013 9:44 pm

Bralia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

Do you have any idea how many people you called whores right here on NSG? :blink:

And? Do you think I give two fucks?

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Evraim wrote:You do realize that engaging in sexual intercourse does not preclude a person from being boring, yes? And that many interesting people elect to not engage in sexual intercourse? This is where I insert my stereotypes are bad speech.

Perhaps not, but attitudes like these
Zweite Alaje wrote:No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

certainly support the "insufferable boring person" hypothesis.

If one had to fuck people to be interesting or fun, they must be severely lacking in personality and self esteem.
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 19, 2013 9:44 pm

Cosara wrote:
Haydenish People wrote:I agree, no one was harmed. It was not rape or sexual assault. Although she was prosecuted correctly under Florida law, it is pointless and cruel to jail someone on the basis of age on consent laws.

Nope. Age of Consent keeps the Pedobear illegal.

And nobody here is considering legalizing them . . .
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Postby Meryuma » Sun May 19, 2013 9:44 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Resora wrote:So you didn't have sex before you turned 18? You're either a very boring person or a very unattractive person.


No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.


I'm 17 and I've had sex a single time within the context of a committed relationship. Am I a whore?
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Postby Resora » Sun May 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Resora wrote:Perhaps not, but attitudes like these

certainly support the "insufferable boring person" hypothesis.

If one had to fuck people to be interesting or fun, they must be severely lacking in personality and self esteem.

If one feels the need to condemn others for fucking, to the point of suggesting making fucking illegal, self-esteem problems are almost certainly a fact.
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Postby ALMF » Sun May 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Evraim wrote:...[snip]...

ALMF wrote:So there's no such thing as an unjust law?

I'm asking you to prove that it is an unjust law. Nobody has ventured to do so yet.

Prove, I cant: I'm not certain. But several things are suggestive.
1) Most states have a 'romio and juliet' law including the state in question.
2) The parents in this case (for most cases) are concerned about the gender of the partner (age or financial support) then the fact the dauter was having sex: despite parents infantalising there children.
3) Charges compered self-reporting are much higher with feamail "victims" than mail.
4) Historically most women were married before 14 and men before 16.
5) Parents make up a majority of voters and have a psicologial nead for children to be younger than they are.
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Dose this prove unjust? no
Heavy and convincing? no
preponderance? I think so
suggest heightened scrutiny? certainly
Is the law unjust? I don't know
Is the law safe enough to give it the benifate of the doubt? NO
Is there heavy and convincing evadance it is just? Absolutely Not!
Do we have convincing
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Bralia wrote:Do you have any idea how many people you called whores right here on NSG? :blink:

And? Do you think I give two fucks?

Considering that feels awfully close to flaming, yes, I think you should give a fuck.
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Postby Cosara » Sun May 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Bralia wrote:Public bathrooms, schools, the local habadashery, the list truly could go on forever . . .

But think of the children!

Why did I just imagine some teenagers having sex in a Kindergarten class, then having the children come in early.... :unsure:
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun May 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Resora wrote:So you didn't have sex before you turned 18? You're either a very boring person or a very unattractive person.


No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

If you talk like that to people you know IRL, I'm surprised you haven't had your jaw broken yet.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.


I'm 17 and I've had sex a single time within the context of a committed relationship. Am I a whore?

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Postby Evraim » Sun May 19, 2013 9:47 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Evraim wrote:Al... let's not go down this road.

This, just quit it. It's pathetic.

Me? :blink:

Resora wrote:If one feels the need to condemn others for fucking, to the point of suggesting making fucking illegal, self-esteem problems are almost certainly a fact.

Not necessarily. Philosophical principles could influence the decision.

Let's not hurl personal insults, please. It isn't going to create understanding.
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Postby Genesis Era » Sun May 19, 2013 9:48 pm

Curiously enough, the article mentions a same-sex relationship, not a sexual relationship. There is a huge world of difference between being romantically attached and having sex.

I could understand the case for felony if there actually was sex (specifically non-consensual sex) involved, but so far it looks to me that the charges against Kaitlyn are on thin ice.

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Postby Cosara » Sun May 19, 2013 9:48 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.

If you talk like that to people you know IRL, I'm surprised you haven't had your jaw broken yet.

Saying "What" gets you shot by Samuel L Jackson. Surprised that he hasn't had his jaw broken.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun May 19, 2013 9:48 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.


I'm 17 and I've had sex a single time within the context of a committed relationship. Am I a whore?


No, you have a committed relationship, thought still a bit young to be engaging in sex. I still don't approve of it, but at least it's better than most modern youth.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 19, 2013 9:49 pm

Evraim wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:This, just quit it. It's pathetic.

Me? :blink:

That whole line of conversation.

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Postby Cosara » Sun May 19, 2013 9:49 pm

Genesis Era wrote:Curiously enough, the article mentions a same-sex relationship, not a sexual relationship. There is a huge world of difference between being romantically attached and having sex.

I could understand the case for felony if there actually was sex (specifically non-consensual sex) involved, but so far it looks to me that the charges against Kaitlyn are on thin ice.

There was sex and it was Illegal. They have the polar ice caps underneath them.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun May 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Cosara wrote:
Genesis Era wrote:Curiously enough, the article mentions a same-sex relationship, not a sexual relationship. There is a huge world of difference between being romantically attached and having sex.

I could understand the case for felony if there actually was sex (specifically non-consensual sex) involved, but so far it looks to me that the charges against Kaitlyn are on thin ice.

There was sex and it was Illegal. They have the polar ice caps underneath them.

Doesn't mean much these days.
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Postby Evraim » Sun May 19, 2013 9:51 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
No, I didn't have sex before 18. I'm not a whore like most people are these days.


I'm 17 and I've had sex a single time within the context of a committed relationship. Am I a whore?

Yes. :p

You dirty, dirty whore. :hug:

Ignore it, Mer. Ignore it.

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