18 Year Old Girl Facing Felony for Dating 15 Year Old Girl

[Lemanrussland]

http://www.westpalmcriminallawyers.com/2012/10/what-about-floridas-romeo-and-juliet-law/

What is illegal about this?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind ... 04354.html

This appears to be legal... was this law repealed or something? Are they just ignoring this law for this case?

It's not illegal for an 18 year old to have sex with a 15 year old. She's within 4 years of her in age, and hasn't committed any other sexual crimes in her life (as far as I know, maybe she did).

[Wisconsin9]

http://www.westpalmcriminallawyers.com/2012/10/what-about-floridas-romeo-and-juliet-law/

What is illegal about this?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind ... 04354.html

This appears to be legal... was this law repealed or something? Are they just ignoring this law for this case?

It's not illegal for an 18 year old to have sex with a 15 year old. She's within 4 years of her in age, and hasn't committed any other sexual crimes in her life (as far as I know, maybe she did).

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

[Harkonna]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

[Wisconsin9]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

Yes.

[Lemanrussland]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

I would argue for him. My understanding of the law is that he would be innocent.

If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

[Harkonna]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

Yes.

Seems legitimate.

[Cosara]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

No. People would be demanding that he be sent to the guillotine.

[Evraim]

It's good that they're facing equal penalties under the charge but a fifteen year old is old enough to decide if they want to have motherfucking sex.

The problem here is the age of consent; furthermore there is NO WAY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAD SEX WHILE SHE WAS 18. They were dating first when one was 14 and one was 17; that is 100% legal and if they had sex then they cannot be prosecuted. If they did not have sex after the time that she turned 18, she CANNOT BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. If they can prove this, they can get off scott-free or whatever that term is.

The age of consent laws are fucking ridiculous in most states. No, a twelve year old shouldn't be convinced (and/or allowed) to have sex with a twenty year old. But a fourteen year old and an eighteen year old? In a 100% consenting relationship? There's nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, a fifteen and seventeen year old - they began dating at those ages, if I'm not mistaken - would not be charged. Why should her turning 18 make it a criminal offense?

Because there has to be a line somewhere.

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

[Harkonna]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

No. People would be demanding that he be sent to the guillotine.

Nah. Maximum prison sentencing, obv.

[Page]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

Yes. There are literally millions of 18m-15f couples in healthy, consenting relationships in this world and I think it's totally natural and normal.

[Zweite Alaje]

Because..
Man having sex with younger girl/boy: HANG HIM! STONE HIM! YOU FUCKING PEDOPHILE!

woman having sex with younger boy/girl: It's just a harmless relationship. Nothing to see here.


That's basically what happens. Wasn't there a George Lopez episode on this?

You do realize that its not merely a matter of the gender of the older person at work here, do you not? Its also a matter of the fact that, for all intents and purposes, THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE SAME FUCKING AGE.

I would be just as outraged if this were a 50 year old man fucking a 16 year old as I would be if this were a 50 year old woman/person of another gender fucking a 16 year old. But this is not the case. This is a (newly turned) 18 year old fucking a 15 year old. The age difference is less than 4 years, it doesn't fucking matter, and pursuing charges is not only discriminatory (because EVERYBODY here knows that if the 18 year old were a guy, nobody would even bat a fucking eye), but a fucking waste of the entire state's time and money.

Having a problem with people being punished for crimes they commit is the liberal speciality.

It shouldn't be a crime any more than, as another poster alluded to, Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat.

Occasionally, yes.


Do you think that most fifteen year olds are capable of consenting to sexual intercourse?

With their peers, yes, I do.

Really?

18 yr old fucking a minor vs institutionalized racism.

Nowhere near the samething.

[Page]

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

No. People would be demanding that he be sent to the guillotine.

Dude, find me the posts. I've said no less than three times in this thread I think 18-15 relationships are fine no matter what genders are involved, so have others. I have not seen one person on this forum argue that it should be okay for an 18 y.o. female to have sex with a 15 y.o. female but not an 18 y.o. male in the same.

[Lemanrussland]

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind ... 04354.html

This appears to be legal... was this law repealed or something? Are they just ignoring this law for this case?

It's not illegal for an 18 year old to have sex with a 15 year old. She's within 4 years of her in age, and hasn't committed any other sexual crimes in her life (as far as I know, maybe she did).

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

Yes.

So, assuming there was sexual relations when she was 18 and she was 15.

The victim is older than 14 by one year, but not 17. She's 15.

The suspect is only 3 years older than the victim. She's 18.

She shouldn't become a registered sex offender (which will ruin her life, by the way), at least according to this law. A romantic relationship between two teenagers is not the same as some older adult preying on a high school kid and molesting them.

[Zweite Alaje]

It's good that they're facing equal penalties under the charge but a fifteen year old is old enough to decide if they want to have motherfucking sex.

The problem here is the age of consent; furthermore there is NO WAY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAD SEX WHILE SHE WAS 18. They were dating first when one was 14 and one was 17; that is 100% legal and if they had sex then they cannot be prosecuted. If they did not have sex after the time that she turned 18, she CANNOT BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. If they can prove this, they can get off scott-free or whatever that term is.

The age of consent laws are fucking ridiculous in most states. No, a twelve year old shouldn't be convinced (and/or allowed) to have sex with a twenty year old. But a fourteen year old and an eighteen year old? In a 100% consenting relationship? There's nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, a fifteen and seventeen year old - they began dating at those ages, if I'm not mistaken - would not be charged. Why should her turning 18 make it a criminal offense?

Because there has to be a line somewhere.

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

[Wisconsin9]

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

Yes.

So, assuming there was sexual relations when she was 18 and she was 15.

The victim is older than 14 by one year, but not 17. She's 15.

The suspect is only 3 years older than the victim. She's 18.

She shouldn't become a registered sex offender (which will ruin her life, by the way), at least according to this law. A romantic relationship between two teenagers is not the same as some older adult preying on a high school kid and molesting them.

No, it specifically states you can't be over 17.

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

I personally think it's stupid, but she is technically guilty.

[Bralia]

Because there has to be a line somewhere.


There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

Good luck enforcing that law . . .

[Herskerstad]

Eh, above the 13 year old mark, 3 years beetwen that and the other party should really not go into the already woefully overused sex offender registry, which should be limited to actual child molesters and rapists and not drunk people caught urinating in an allyway.

Not saying that the ages of consent laws can be violated at will even when the age difference is relatively small, but statutory rape depending on age and in most cases age difference often fall under too harsh laws, which if acted upon I would consider this case after a brief overview, or far too lenient, such as hawaii which in some cases have stronger animal protection laws than they do in regards to protecting children.

[Page]

Because there has to be a line somewhere.


There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

True story, Utah once tried to charge two thirteen year olds with raping each other and even their state supreme court ruled the crazy was just too much. If it's too crazy for Utah I don't see it happening.

[Shamshu the Defiant]

Ah. Apologies, then. I failed to recognize such.

No worries.

This is just disgusting. A reasonable and civil interaction by two people exercising calm intelligence and thereby eschewing the chance to engage in needless hostility escalating into vicious flaming.

What the hell kind of website is this? I demand you two start flaming one another!!

You. Bralia. Call Isolate China an ignorant racist pig-raper! And you, Isolated China. Make increasingly snarky comments about Bralia culminating in a thread-crashing accusation that IC does in fact despise gay people and supports forcibly breeding lesbians with glue-huffing male hobos.

Otherwise, the internet could lose its place as the premier platform for conflict-craving neurotics with poor social skills, and everyone will think we can discuss things like educated adult human beings and then they're going to expect that shit from us all the time.

So stop it.

[Grenartia]

I certainly do. Adult-level maturity is not a prerequisite for sexual activity -- they just have to be old enough to avoid facing any psychological or emotional harm from premature sexual activity (the typical reason for AoC laws in the first place). No fifteen year old suffers from the sex itself with people of comparable maturity.

And, you would maintain that an average eighteen year old possesses a level of maturity comparable to an average fifteen year old? I would disagree.

I would maintain that maturity levels even within members of the same age group vary wildly.

I would also maintain that a 15 year old is capable of giving informed consent to have sex with their peers. And, I would maintain that an 18 year old would fall under the definition of peer.

Would there even be an argument if it was an 18 year old boy committing statutory rape against a 15 year old girl?

If she consents, its not rape.

It's good that they're facing equal penalties under the charge but a fifteen year old is old enough to decide if they want to have motherfucking sex.

The problem here is the age of consent; furthermore there is NO WAY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAD SEX WHILE SHE WAS 18. They were dating first when one was 14 and one was 17; that is 100% legal and if they had sex then they cannot be prosecuted. If they did not have sex after the time that she turned 18, she CANNOT BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. If they can prove this, they can get off scott-free or whatever that term is.

The age of consent laws are fucking ridiculous in most states. No, a twelve year old shouldn't be convinced (and/or allowed) to have sex with a twenty year old. But a fourteen year old and an eighteen year old? In a 100% consenting relationship? There's nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, a fifteen and seventeen year old - they began dating at those ages, if I'm not mistaken - would not be charged. Why should her turning 18 make it a criminal offense?

Because there has to be a line somewhere.

Yes, and we're telling you where that line should fucking be.

You do realize that its not merely a matter of the gender of the older person at work here, do you not? Its also a matter of the fact that, for all intents and purposes, THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE SAME FUCKING AGE.

I would be just as outraged if this were a 50 year old man fucking a 16 year old as I would be if this were a 50 year old woman/person of another gender fucking a 16 year old. But this is not the case. This is a (newly turned) 18 year old fucking a 15 year old. The age difference is less than 4 years, it doesn't fucking matter, and pursuing charges is not only discriminatory (because EVERYBODY here knows that if the 18 year old were a guy, nobody would even bat a fucking eye), but a fucking waste of the entire state's time and money.



It shouldn't be a crime any more than, as another poster alluded to, Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat.



With their peers, yes, I do.

Really?

18 yr old fucking a minor vs institutionalized racism.

Nowhere near the samething.

Everybody here knows its not about an 18 year old fucking a peer. Its about the fact that the 15 year old girl's parents finding out, and wanting some sort of revenge against the 18 year old girl for "turning their daughter gay".

[Cosara]

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

Yes.

So, assuming there was sexual relations when she was 18 and she was 15.

The victim is older than 14 by one year, but not 17. She's 15.

The suspect is only 3 years older than the victim. She's 18.

She shouldn't become a registered sex offender (which will ruin her life, by the way), at least according to this law. A romantic relationship between two teenagers is not the same as some older adult preying on a high school kid and molesting them.

Legally, it's exactly the same. In Florida (As well as Texas) it is a crime for an adult to have sex with a minor.

[Resora]

Because there has to be a line somewhere.


There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

Yes, let's start locking up even more people for victimless crimes. Let's just abandon the idea of the government serving to BETTER the lives of citizens.

[Cosara]

Because there has to be a line somewhere.


There would probably be an argument if an eighty year old man committed statutory rape against an eight year old girl. This is NSG, after all.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

California is way ahead of you.

[Zweite Alaje]

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

Good luck enforcing that law . . .

Where there's a will, there's a way.

They should just make it illegal for minors to have sex at all, now that would be a good idea.

True story, Utah once tried to charge two thirteen year olds with raping each other and even their state supreme court ruled the crazy was just too much. If it's too crazy for Utah I don't see it happening.

That is unfortunate.

[Lemanrussland]

Yes.

So, assuming there was sexual relations when she was 18 and she was 15.

The victim is older than 14 by one year, but not 17. She's 15.

The suspect is only 3 years older than the victim. She's 18.

She shouldn't become a registered sex offender (which will ruin her life, by the way), at least according to this law. A romantic relationship between two teenagers is not the same as some older adult preying on a high school kid and molesting them.

No, it specifically states you can't be over 17.

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation.

I personally think it's stupid, but she is technically guilty.

I see...

I am reading it like this.

Is not more than 4 years older than the victim of this violation who was 14 years of age or older but not more than 17 years of age at the time the person committed this violation