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Postby Noordland » Mon May 20, 2013 10:04 pm

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Perfectly in line with my prediction too. You see, I understand how people work. I know them. It's kinda what I do.

Now run along. Or continue to say insane shit for my amusement. It matters little at this point. Your position has been discredited beyond belief, which is what my aims were.

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Postby Aurora Novus » Mon May 20, 2013 10:05 pm

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Frisivisia wrote:They shouldn't have to. Injustice is injustice, and now this girl is a felon for consensual sex.


She broke the law, the only reason people are bitching about this is because they think it's homophobic.


That's not accurate at all. Read the past couple of pages to understand why I'm "bitching" about it.

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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 20, 2013 10:05 pm

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Yankee Empire wrote:Keep bitching then. Teachers shouldn't be havign sex with sutdents anyway, aren't their restrictions against that? Even if she wasn't underaged.

It wasn't a teacher, it was another student.

Ah correct misread that part.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 20, 2013 10:08 pm

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She broke the law, the only reason peopel are bitching about this is because they think it's homophobic.

People sitting at whites only lunch counters were breaking the law, but people were only bitching because they thought it was racist, right?

Injustice is injustice, and this is injustice.


Poor adults can't have sex with teenagers under the age of 18.

There certainly should be some fine tuning of these laws. With odd cases like this.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon May 20, 2013 10:08 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:People sitting at whites only lunch counters were breaking the law, but people were only bitching because they thought it was racist, right?

Injustice is injustice, and this is injustice.


Poor adults can't have sex with teenagers under the age of 18.

There certainly should be some fine tuning of these laws. With odd cases like this.

Which is what I said.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 20, 2013 10:24 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
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I personally think this is an issue where waiting a couple of months would have been the more sensible course of action. Being forced to keep it in your pants for a few months is nowhere near the level of injustice that people were facing in British-occupied India or the segregated US.

But to each her own.

They shouldn't have to. Injustice is injustice, and now this girl is a felon for consensual sex.


I wouldn't be upset if the charges were dropped, but I'm just finding it hard to be outraged that someone is being charged for a crime that she is apparently guilty of. If she didn't want to be a felon, she should have done something to get the law changed BEFORE having the sex. If you want to smoke weed without being harassed by the cops, you should get marijuana legalized first, THEN smoke your blunt.

Having consensual sex is not morally wrong, but it is not the job of the police and courts to judge moral right and wrong.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 20, 2013 10:25 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:They shouldn't have to. Injustice is injustice, and now this girl is a felon for consensual sex.


She broke the law, the only reason people are bitching about this is because they think it's homophobic.


And because NSG is full of teenagers who think they are being oppressed by their elders.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Mon May 20, 2013 10:28 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Having consensual sex is not morally wrong, but it is not the job of the police and courts to judge moral right and wrong.


See, that is what I find to be our principle disagreement. I say it is their duty to be in the moral right. If an immoral or unjust law exists, it should not be enforced. To enforce a bad law, and punish someone for a victimless crime is, in my view, immoral, and those who enable such a thing to occur should be ashamed.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 20, 2013 10:30 pm

Pravengria wrote:After thinking and reviewing, I'd say she shouldn't be charged. It seems too circumstantial. Due to the fact they both consented, they're only three years apart. And were dating before the one became a legal adult. It seems a bit odd to not do anything until the girl then turns 18, for something she allegedly did before hand. As far as the law goes, should it be abolished? No, but I think that cases should be done by a case by case basis, and they should take into account how them being lesbians affects the decision, as well as the age, when they started dating, and how old they were regarding the act.


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How does any of the stuff you mentioned make this case "circumstantial"?

And you really can't complain about this case if you want to leave the law on the books. That just makes no sense.
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Postby Pravengria » Mon May 20, 2013 10:33 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Pravengria wrote:After thinking and reviewing, I'd say she shouldn't be charged. It seems too circumstantial. Due to the fact they both consented, they're only three years apart. And were dating before the one became a legal adult. It seems a bit odd to not do anything until the girl then turns 18, for something she allegedly did before hand. As far as the law goes, should it be abolished? No, but I think that cases should be done by a case by case basis, and they should take into account how them being lesbians affects the decision, as well as the age, when they started dating, and how old they were regarding the act.


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How does any of the stuff you mentioned make this case "circumstantial"?

And you really can't complain about this case if you want to leave the law on the books. That just makes no sense.


Makes perfect sense. I do believe in some cases the law should be bent a little if the circumstance seems a bit odd. The girl for one was under 18, during the act, therefore I don't see why she should be tried as an adult, since they're 3 years apart. They both consented. And as I stated before in another previous post, they didn't raise an issue til she became 18. It's a touchy subject given, but considering that the court was mentioned to be rather conservative, and the chances of homophobia being possibly high. I think those things should be taken into account.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon May 20, 2013 10:48 pm

To be reviewed. Several of you, at a glance, I would strongly suggest taking a break or walking pretty small here for the next bit. Not impressed, folks. Not when there's already been several warnings to keep on topic, not flame or bait, and attack arguments, not each other.

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