18 Year Old Girl Facing Felony for Dating 15 Year Old Girl

[Ifreann]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

Some people think that what she did shouldn't be against the law.

[Dakini]

I don't know how pardons work in the US. In Canada, you just wait 7 years and if you haven't committed additional crimes, you can fill out some forms, pay a fee and it gets wiped off your record. I think now they're having someone look at whether people deserve it, but it isn't an elected official (it might not even be just one individual).

I can't say I'm familiar with this kind of thing, but I don't think it would be called a pardon.

I'm not especially familiar with that either. I'm aware that it exists and that they changed the system recently. Here they are called pardons though and they basically wipe your criminal record and remove your finger prints from the relevant databases as long as you do not commit another offense. It seems you have to wait between 5 to 10 years after you've served your time to obtain one.

[Eastfield Lodge]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

[SatrapyofChloe]

Marriage is between a man and a women period.

Dating isn't marriage.
And marriage is stupid anyone. Who bothers with such stupid labels?

True love doesn't care about age, or labels or superstitious wedding ceremonies or social constructs.
It only cares about color.

Why would women even want to get married to one another? That's just an insult to their relationship. Why don't two girlfriends marry each other just because they've been best friends for 12 years?

Love between friends is still love but why doesn't this translate into marriage? Because marriage is just designed to blackmail women into having children, to preserve and pass on some family name, or heirloom.

But girls cannot have babies with each other, or sex for that matter. So marriage is stupid.
Yes definition of marriage is only between men and women. But so is sex.

Sex is defined only between men and women, which due to said definition included men and men.
But that definition just like the definition of marriage, doesn't include women and women.

Who can't get married or have sex with one another. At best they can have light sapphic engagings. Which are not sexually penetrative with sexual organs, therefore not sex.

[Cosara]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

Florida had an investigation and had reason to press charges. They must have actual reason to believe that an actual crime was committed to press charges.

[Ifreann]

I can't say I'm familiar with this kind of thing, but I don't think it would be called a pardon.

I'm not especially familiar with that either. I'm aware that it exists and that they changed the system recently. Here they are called pardons though and they basically wipe your criminal record and remove your finger prints from the relevant databases as long as you do not commit another offense. It seems you have to wait between 5 to 10 years after you've served your time to obtain one.

I know that some states give the franchise back to felons after they've served their time, but I wouldn't know off hand whether Florida is among them.

[JAYMALL LAND]

At least this is a sign of equal rights

[Risottia]

Instincts > Information. Both in age and wisdom.

What truly has consent, is Instinct and Sex. Because these are both older than societies, laws or numbers. Therefore by law of Maturity and Consent, Sex wins. And Sex is instinctively possible AT ANY AGE .

So, excuse me, if someone forced you to have sex with him because of his instincts, you'd be ok with that, as instincts > information and law = information?

It really sounds like you're supporting rape.

Whoever dictated we all consider solar years as actual years? What if I believe Jupiter is the greatest celestial body?

Your beliefs are of no consequence when it comes to laws.

[Farnhamia]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

How is that inconsistent? The law sets out rules and people's changing ages can put them in violation of those rules. She should have known better. And people report others to the authorities "for revenge" all the time. It's easier when the other person actually has violated the law.

[SatrapyofChloe]

Yes, because holding a Lesbian accountable for Statutory Rape is horrible!

She's not lesbian if she didn't have sex with a female yet.
Pix or it didn't happen.
No pix? Oh, so it didn't happen.

Your mouth is shut now.

[Farnhamia]

Yes, because holding a Lesbian accountable for Statutory Rape is horrible!

She's not lesbian if she didn't have sex with a female yet.
Pix or it didn't happen.
No pix? Oh, so it didn't happen.

Your mouth is shut now.

*consults the bylaws of the Lesbian League* No, sorry, having sex is not a requirement. And she wasn't arrested for being a lesbian.

[Risottia]

She's not lesbian if she didn't have sex with a female yet.

According to your previous definitions, lesbians don't exist because females can't have sex with other females.

I wonder why do you hate lesbians and their sexuality so much to deny even their existence.

[SatrapyofChloe]

Even if we accepted that "saying lewd words or lusting for women" could count as rape, it would only count as rape if it were without consent.

If the female you're saying lewd words to consents, there's no problem.

You should do a workplace harassment course - they go through this.

Must be awkward to be that stupid at reasoning.
Any woman can say she never consented to being speaken that way to. So she can always say it was unconsensual, and that her dignity was raped through those lews words.

Therefore anyone is a rapist, even if the woman "consented". You have no way of proving she actually consented, do you?
So she can still claim she didn't. And it would still legally make you a rapist, and all those men too.

[Cosara]

Yes, because holding a Lesbian accountable for Statutory Rape is horrible!

She's not lesbian if she didn't have sex with a female yet.
Pix or it didn't happen.
No pix? Oh, so it didn't happen.

Your mouth is shut now.

Under this, we could say that George Washington never existed. Good job with Logic that fucks everything up (I hope you were being sarcastic, however).

[Engerland]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

Some people think that what she did shouldn't be against the law.

So they want to lower the age of concent, right. I don't agree.

[Eastfield Lodge]

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

Florida had an investigation and had reason to press charges. They must have actual reason to believe that an actual crime was committed to press charges.

On the testimony of the younger girl whose trust in the police (stemming from her dad being in the police force) was apparently exploited to get incriminating evidence about their relationship.

[Dakini]

I'm not especially familiar with that either. I'm aware that it exists and that they changed the system recently. Here they are called pardons though and they basically wipe your criminal record and remove your finger prints from the relevant databases as long as you do not commit another offense. It seems you have to wait between 5 to 10 years after you've served your time to obtain one.

I know that some states give the franchise back to felons after they've served their time, but I wouldn't know off hand whether Florida is among them.

Yeah, I don't know how that sort of thing works in Florida. I mean, I think that preventing felons from voting after they served their time is pretty terrible, especially when coupled with a racist legal system which ensures that certain minorities are disproportionately convicted of felonies

[SatrapyofChloe]

At least I don't want to deprive kids of their rights. And better intellectual than troglodyte.

Better a free troglodyte Reigning in Hell, than:

A slave intellectual Serving in Heaven.

[Neutraligon]

Yes, because holding a Lesbian accountable for Statutory Rape is horrible!

She's not lesbian if she didn't have sex with a female yet.
Pix or it didn't happen.
No pix? Oh, so it didn't happen.

Your mouth is shut now.

Wrong, a person can be lesbian and never have sex.

[Frisbeeteria]

But a bigot like you isn't gonna do that, are you, misogynist?

Knock it off with the namecalling RIGHT NOW, SatrapyofChloe. *** Warned for flaming ***

I don't have the time or energy to sweep this thread, but SatrapyofChloe isn't the only one making direct and personal attacks. It needs to end NOW.

[Eastfield Lodge]

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

How is that inconsistent? The law sets out rules and people's changing ages can put them in violation of those rules. She should have known better. And people report others to the authorities "for revenge" all the time. It's easier when the other person actually has violated the law.

OK then, perceived inconsistency.

[Engerland]

She broke the law and got into trouble for it, what's the deal?

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

That's a whole other kind of fuck...

[Farnhamia]

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

That's a whole other kind of fuck...

A perceived fuck.

[SatrapyofChloe]

Only 45%? Lusting for women? More like 80% of males alive.

We have established that the Law and it's minions are too retarded to use telepathy or read minds.
Therefore proving someone is lusting for a woman, is out of the question.
But saying lewd things can be proven. So more than half who lust express it by creepy words, then they're technically rapists, no?
Since judging by their choice of words they're obviously not going to hold back from raping that woman, if they ever had or found the chance to. And the chances are omnipresent in this present society where all forms of depravity pass for "legal".
If they lust for her that alone is proof they'd rape her given half a chance. Saying it just proves the lust is there.
If it can be proven they don't lust for that woman or other women, then it's proven they can't rape them. Thus they cannot be a rapist at the time of the proof being presented.

[Eastfield Lodge]

The fact that the younger girl's parents reported it for revenge, and the general inconsistency of Florida's consent laws (the relationship was legal before the older girl was 18 [17 and 15], but became illegal as soon as she turned 18, when it would become legal again when the younger girl turned 16 in a few months).

That's a whole other kind of fuck...

Yeah, the general opinion seems to be that the law is rather unjust.