18 Year Old Girl Facing Felony for Dating 15 Year Old Girl

[Dakini]

Secondly, I find it incredibly ironic that there is backlash against the parents in this story, including calling them homophobes, when this kind of story happens literally everyday with an adult male and a minor female. It is remarkably hypocritical to react angrily to this story, and yet have no problem with punishment when the rapist is a male.

This has been alleged several times in the course of this thread, and countered each time.

Yes, but what about the menz!?

[SatrapyofChloe]

The law is just. That is my opinion on it.

You're just jealous because they got together, and you're alone and not in a relationship.

The "law" was made by lonely, bored, pathetic sad excuses for "people" who envy those who are superior to them in any way, whether sexually, intellectually or freedom wise, and try to "punish them" using the so called "majority" of other sad pathetic losers who also are jealous of their freedoms.

Some people are more free than others. You may think you're "free" but there will usually always be someone who has much more freedom than you do or think you do. Even as children you see this, some children have more children, while you're repressed or enslaved by your parents.

This has nothing to do with made up laws which have no value to individuals who are above society and socialites by nature. But with the jealous losers like you, who are unattractive and hate people who enjoy their youth to the fullest.

This is the truth, really. People are just jealous of those two girls, so they try to opress them and steal all their fun, by destroying their lives.

Vengeful stone age mentality morons who can't accept other people's superiority. The beggar who hates the Queen because she has everything, and true freedom, while he has nothing.

Nothing but the ground beneath his dirty lazy feet to draw meaningless laws unto. And that's why language is enforced and taught by force in societies. To force laws to superior people, since the inferior people are jealous of their freedoms.

In aristocratic families incest is law. Do you think you can break that law just because you were born after a socialist revolution, or think you live in a country where you can dictate your own traditions to other classes of people?

Not only does this aberration extend to banning some classes, like the aristocracy, the right to maintain their power wealth and status through incest, but this forces them to submit to abominations like arranged marriages, that the petty burgeoisie uses to gain power and wealth and climb the slimy socialist ladder.

Gah* (where is the VOMIT emoticon?)

[Grave_n_idle]

Not for being a lesbian, for having sex with a 15 y/o girl. Like I said to the last guy, if you don't like the age of consent laws, get to work and change them.

"They are out to destroy my daughter, because they feel like she ‘made’ their daughter gay."

I belive the parents of the 18-year-old said this. Sound like she got arrested because the parents of the 15 year old wanted the 18-year-old arrested for dating their daughter.

They may have wanted her arrested for dating their daughter, but she couldn't have been arrested for dating their daughter, because that's not illegal under Florida law. They could get her arrested for sex with a minor, which is illegal, though.

Like I said, homophobia likely took part in the proceedings, but unless she broke the law, homophobia couldn't have had her arrested.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Like I said, assholes like you need not apply.

I still cannot believe that 50k people want to let a Lesbian off of Statutory Rape charges. I hope the prosecutor has the balls to not drop the charges.

You're beginning to allow hints of your motivation for being pleased that Kaitlyn has been arrested and may face charges in a court of law to show.

[SatrapyofChloe]

The point, you've finally gotten it. Under a certain age, it is not possible to give consent.

Whether a person knows what sex is, does not factor into whether or not a person can be tricked or manipulated into having sex. Like I said, I believe that the age limit is too high, but it needs to be set somewhere.

The point. You haven't gotten it yet.

Children don't need to use language to define sex, in order to have it. They can simply desire it instinctually. Are you going to blame their instincts and exterminate them because your Sexual Eugenics Law consider them "subhuman" or "mutants"?

If a child has natural sex instincts, who are you to abolish or censor them? What is this, Convent of Doom and we're all waiting for Jesus and the Archangels to win the Apocalypse for us?

Your conservatism be damned. If society ended right here and right now, the next generations of children would have no understanding of "sex laws" or using laws to ban sex or limit it in any way. Because such laws are unnatural, and purely made up.

They only exist in your head.

A child doesn't need to offer consent in order to have it. It doesn't even need to speak a language or learn one, or speak in the same language as the partner, to be consensual.

How do you think sex happened between people learned languages, or begun to speak languages or learned the same one to understand each other? You think they first worst they uttered were " I consent" or "I do" ?

No. Language does not prove consent. A child can be tricked or forced into saying "Yes" even if they mean "no". Consent isn't proven by a scribbling whether that is saying "yes" or having a number 18 on your ID.

A child choses to have or not have sex, by their own volition. That's why laws are pointless and only repress the instinctive nature of people. Destroying individuals and their personal freedoms.

Societies have no power over the individual, that's just a myth. This isn't Dictatorship Fantasy Alternate Universe, where all laws passed by "Our Overlord and Eternal Master" are pure absolute unbridled uncensored TRUTHNESS.

This is Sparta. And everything goes. Sex, the more underaged the more pure it is. So what if children want to overpopulate their race and have sex between 10 and 18? They can still work to support their new family, it's just the inferior work system that has to adapt.

So much unemployment bemoaned in so many countries, but no one allows children the right to work. They don't want them to escape the evil grasp of adults. Or create their own class laws. The children are a class of their own, just like mothers, the elderly, the workers etc.

But children aren't a class of slaves. Slavery was abolished.

Comply or the children of Corn will stone you.

[Greed and Death]

"They are out to destroy my daughter, because they feel like she ‘made’ their daughter gay."

I belive the parents of the 18-year-old said this. Sound like she got arrested because the parents of the 15 year old wanted the 18-year-old arrested for dating their daughter.

They may have wanted her arrested for dating their daughter, but she couldn't have been arrested for dating their daughter, because that's not illegal under Florida law. They could get her arrested for sex with a minor, which is illegal, though.

Like I said, homophobia likely took part in the proceedings, but unless she broke the law, homophobia couldn't have had her arrested.

The mother of the arrested daughter is alleging it, I know plenty of parents who would call the police on an 18 year old man fooling around with their 15 year old daughter.

I do not think the accusation of homophobia is necessarily justified.

[Immoren]

So much unemployment bemoaned in so many countries, but no one allows children the right to work.

Children should be in schools.

[SatrapyofChloe]

And that age is legally 18, meaning that the 15 year old in this case was raped because she could give no legal consent.

What if that age was 3? Would you comply with that law?

So if I wanted to be legit and beyond your stupid persecution attempts, all I need do is pretend to convert to Judaism. Where the law says I can rape any girl over 3.

And I don't even need any form of consent. I can just rape. But if girls younger than 3 consent, then I can have them too, right?

See? Everything's settled. Everyone just needs to convert to a religion where "underaged" is a very high barrier that everyone can pass under without much worry.

Consider me a child of Moses then. And, please, if you will, pass me your 4 year old daughter ... 'mate.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is the truth, really. People are just jealous of those two girls, so they try to opress them and steal all their fun, by destroying their lives.

Nope. See, that's not the truth - that's your opinion. Consent laws are not just there because old people are jealous of the young - in fact, probably quite the opposite - most parents probably favour some kind of consent law because they want to protect their own kids.

I, personally, favour consent laws because I absolutely believe in the validity of 'consent'. I believe that consenting adults can consent to whatever kind of relationships they want with other consenting adults. I believe that they should be able to - and that the institution of 'informed consent' is a necessary argument in making that happen.

But I don't get to pick and choose. If I'm going to say that the institution of informed consent is sacred, because it's the 'right' of informed adults to make such decisions - I can't compromise it by arguing that it's invalid when the person isn't old enough to consent. And frankly, I don't want to argue it's invalid - because doing so means the framework collapses, and the argument against coercive rape, for example, becomes a matter of opinion.

The law is sensible. Informed consent requires being able to meet the requirements to consent - i.e. being able to understand the concepts, not being under the influence of a drug, not being coerced - and being old enough to make your own informed decisions as an adult.

[Grave_n_idle]

They may have wanted her arrested for dating their daughter, but she couldn't have been arrested for dating their daughter, because that's not illegal under Florida law. They could get her arrested for sex with a minor, which is illegal, though.

Like I said, homophobia likely took part in the proceedings, but unless she broke the law, homophobia couldn't have had her arrested.

The mother of the arrested daughter is alleging it, I know plenty of parents who would call the police on an 18 year old man fooling around with their 15 year old daughter.

I do not think the accusation of homophobia is necessarily justified.

I said it's 'likely'. Based on what I've read, it seems likely. But, as I said, homophobia didn't make this a crime - sex with a minor made this a crime. Homophobia on it's own - if it was about homophobia - wouldn't have had anyone arrested.

[Floribbea]

This thread has advanced a lot since I was gone. What's going on now?

[Immoren]

This thread has advanced a lot since I was gone. What's going on now?

Child labor laws.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Why? We're just going to let Lesbians off because they're Lesbians? No. I'd sign the counter-petition, but I doubt it exists.

Its not because they're lesbians that we're supporting this. We're supporting this because the charges are a waste of the state's time and resources, and taxpayer money (I thought you Republican types were supposed to be against that), only serves to oppress two people, who are peers in a consensual relationship.

Don't forget, the Republican types are more than willing to compromise their principles if it will result in a hardship for someone with whom they disagree. Witness, e.g., the Ken Starr prosecution of Bill Clinton, which exposed minors to hours of discussion of sex, oral sex, and the like, which ordinarily, the Republican types don't believe anyone under 18 needs to even know about unless their parents are the ones imparting said knowledge.

External inconsistency, also known as "hypocrisy," is no stranger to Republican types. We could also reference the Republican legislators who loudly and vehemently opposed any sort of equal rights for homosexuals, yet themselves engaged in homosexual activities, but I hardly think it's necessary.

[Floribbea]

This thread has advanced a lot since I was gone. What's going on now?

Child labor laws.

What else is going on?

[Cosara]

The law is just. That is my opinion on it.

This is the truth, really. People are just jealous of those two girls, so they try to opress them and steal all their fun, by destroying their lives.

No. The parents turned her in for bigoted reasons, then the state did an investigation and decided to press charges. There had to have been a supposed crime committed for the state to press charges. The crime is statutory rape of her 15 year old "Girlfriend".

[Grave_n_idle]

Anything they did do is defined as asexual, because they're female.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is the truth, really. People are just jealous of those two girls, so they try to opress them and steal all their fun, by destroying their lives.

No. The parents turned her in for bigoted reasons, then the state did an investigation and decided to press charges. There had to have been a supposed crime committed for the state to press charges. The crime is statutory rape of her 15 year old "Girlfriend".

Let me just posit an "allegedly" before the word "bigoted", and you're good to go.

[Cosara]

Why? We're just going to let Lesbians off because they're Lesbians? No. I'd sign the counter-petition, but I doubt it exists.

Its not because they're lesbians that we're supporting this. We're supporting this because the charges are a waste of the state's time and resources, and taxpayer money (I thought you Republican types were supposed to be against that), only serves to oppress two people, who are peers in a consensual relationship.

It's Statutory Rape. She is an adult having sex with a girl who is below the age of consent (and Romeo and Juliet laws don't apply here. She was BARELY outside of the limit. The parents hit the perfect window of opportunity). That is a felony.

[Ifreann]

This is the truth, really. People are just jealous of those two girls, so they try to opress them and steal all their fun, by destroying their lives.

No. The parents turned her in for bigoted reasons, then the state did an investigation and decided to press charges. There had to have been a supposed crime committed for the state to press charges. The crime is statutory rape of her 15 year old "Girlfriend".

Why do you have scare quotes around girlfriend?

[Cosara]

Anything they did do is defined as asexual, because they're female.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

He's plagiarizing Bill Clinton and saying that it's not sex because there is no penetration by a penis.

[Ragnarum]

How silly.

[Vitaphone Racing]

No. The parents turned her in for bigoted reasons, then the state did an investigation and decided to press charges. There had to have been a supposed crime committed for the state to press charges. The crime is statutory rape of her 15 year old "Girlfriend".

Why do you have scare quotes around girlfriend?

Because girlfriends are scary. Fucking terrifying even.

[Grave_n_idle]

Secondly, I find it incredibly ironic that there is backlash against the parents in this story, including calling them homophobes, when this kind of story happens literally everyday with an adult male and a minor female. It is remarkably hypocritical to react angrily to this story, and yet have no problem with punishment when the rapist is a male.

I'd object just as strongly in the hypothetical case you mention, and there's nothing hypocritical about it.

If the law is applied equally, I'm happy, because equality before the law is what matters.

[SatrapyofChloe]

You don't fucking get it, do you? It's when you hit the age of 18 (Age of consent) that you can consent to anything. Below that age, it's always no, even if de facto consent is given. It's the Age of Consent that allows people to say Yes. They can still say no, but the Age of Consent allows them to legally say yes. Below the age of consent, no one can say yes. Do you understand?

Just because consent is legally accepted or defined as over 18, doesn't make it so.

You can consent to absolutely anything at any possible age. I don't care what your government has to say about it.

In Germany last century, children ages over 4 consented to learning how to distinguish a jew from an Aryan, and how to smell the first and segregate from them.

This Apartheid was fully legal yet these laws are completely ignored right now. Or worse, forbidden to children to consent to them. Or even forbidden to adults to consent to them.

So you tell me, how is it that you chose to ignore some laws, but only prize those you adhere to personally out of your bias?

There was no age of consent in Germany last century, now was there? Girls had the legal right to chose their own "Age of Consent".

This removed all the conservative christian degenerate prude "Laws" of theocratic nightmare, that were aimed at lowering the birthrates of the population just so they can serve the Vatican and clergy better as obedient tithe paying slaves.

But with a healthy fast growing fertile population where women and girls chose their own lives and freely "dictate" their own age of consent, there is no more oppression from churches or clergy. Because so many numbers of free people who chose their own laws by the maturity of their own minds, is beyond the power of control that any church holds.

And if german girls chose to have children at 12 or younger that was their legal right and personal decision. In fact, all the German government did was give them wellfare so they didn't have trouble supporting their beloved children, or have to work extra hard and abandon their children just to keep them healthy or alive.

How are those laws less important than the laws you cling to? Do we live in 7th century conservative convent in the Alps, beyond my knowledge?

If young girls want to become mothers at far under the "Age of Consent" in your country, then I don't mind my tax money supporting them through the benevolence of the state, by wellfare or advantages or privileges. After all those children are the future of your country and society, and they are the future defenders, heroes, intellectuals, leaders, inventors who will keep your nation safe and alive and ahead in the Weapons Race.

You ensure their survival, they will later ensure yours. It's called "Society" ever heard of that?

[Cosara]

Why do you have scare quotes around girlfriend?

Because girlfriends are scary. Fucking terrifying even.

Indirect Personal Attack much?