18 Year Old Girl Facing Felony for Dating 15 Year Old Girl

[Chetssaland]

Again, common sense is a better way to judge things rather than the law.

All those involved in the underground railroad were breaking the law. I don't know about you, but I don't condemn their actions.

And no, I'm not comparing this to slavery.

It was "common sense" that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Common sense can be wrong. To say it's right because it's common sense is a fallacy as well.
Also, it has yet to be proven that this is common sense. I disagree.

Edit: Also, if you're not comparing this to slavery, then don't bring it up.

Things that can be proven/disproven by science aren't common sense. Nice try though.

And I brought it up because it was an example of how the law can be wrong. And you know that. Or at least I hope so...

[LANDOF]

I am going to predict a suicide attempt in the future.

What does suicide have to do with his/her post?

Part of the consequences of her action. She is 18 and the world is crashing around her. Just sayin.

[Cosara]

It's not "rape" technically, but those below the age of consent cannot give consent, so it is also rape technically.

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

There is an age of consent. People cannot legally give consent to jack shit below that age.

[Yankee Empire]

I am going to predict a suicide attempt in the future.

What does suicide have to do with his/her post?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpk1exv1eFE

Two SP vids in on thread im no a roll, though the video quality for this one is quite bad.

[Caecuser]

Again, common sense is a better way to judge things rather than the law.

All those involved in the underground railroad were breaking the law. I don't know about you, but I don't condemn their actions.

And no, I'm not comparing this to slavery.

It was "common sense" that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Common sense can be wrong. To say it's right because it's common sense is a fallacy as well.
Also, it has yet to be proven that this is common sense. I disagree.

Edit: Also, if you're not comparing this to slavery, then don't bring it up.

The Earth is technically the centre of the Observable Universe and almost nobody has thought the Earth is flat for thousands of years.

Why are you so vehemently depending the law in this case? Do you just like the law out is it your opinion that it should be kept this way.

[Chetssaland]

LOLOLOLOL.

Look, I'm trying to have a real discussion here. If you're gonna play this game, then we're done.

If you laugh at rape and call it a "game," we most definitely are done.

You're not going to get me upset. Not that it will stop you from continuing to try.

[The Spiral Future]

It's not "rape" technically, but those below the age of consent cannot give consent, so it is also rape technically.

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

Still legally rape. Doesn't matter how much you wanted it.

EDIT : To clarify, I believe the law should be updated.

[Des-Bal]

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

That depends on where you live, in Connecticut you had a perfectly healthy sexual encounter, in Delaware you were raped.

[Mike the Progressive]

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

That depends on where you live, in Connecticut you had a perfectly healthy sexual encounter, in Delaware you were raped.

And SVU needs to investigate!

[Sedikal]

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

There is an age of consent. People cannot legally give consent to jack shit below that age.

Which is fucking stupid. Most kids can think for themselves as indapendint people by 16. That is Why I support lowering the age of consent. But I did consent to that act. And boy did it turn out good for me.

[Abatael]

It was "common sense" that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Common sense can be wrong. To say it's right because it's common sense is a fallacy as well.
Also, it has yet to be proven that this is common sense. I disagree.

Edit: Also, if you're not comparing this to slavery, then don't bring it up.

Things that can be proven/disproven by science aren't common sense. Nice try though.

And I brought it up because it was an example of how the law can be wrong. And you know that. Or at least I hope so...

Then what is common sense? After you define it, prove to us that it is common sense this form of rape should be allowed.

The law is not wrong; the law is the law. People are wrong.

[Mike the Progressive]

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

Still legally rape. Doesn't matter how much you wanted it.

EDIT : To clarify, I believe the law should be updated.

One could even argue, Sedikal was...asking for it?

[Dusk_Kittens]

There may be an element of homophobia there alright.

She was underage however, we do not make exceptions to laws.

Why is that?

To borrow and paraphrase a little comment from some religious text or other, "Humans were not made for the law; the law was made for humans."

and something about the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law

but anyway.

It's perfectly legal in some states in the US for a girl as young as 14 to get married with her parents' consent, and that little piece of paper (the marriage license) makes an exception to the laws on age of consent. Elsewhere, the age for this is 16, but it still results in an exception to the law.

[The Spiral Future]

Still legally rape. Doesn't matter how much you wanted it.

EDIT : To clarify, I believe the law should be updated.

One could even argue, Sedikal was...asking for it?

You're terrible

[Trotskylvania]

Again, common sense is a better way to judge things rather than the law.

All those involved in the underground railroad were breaking the law. I don't know about you, but I don't condemn their actions.

And no, I'm not comparing this to slavery.

It was "common sense" that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Common sense can be wrong. To say it's right because it's common sense is a fallacy as well.
Also, it has yet to be proven that this is common sense. I disagree.

Edit: Also, if you're not comparing this to slavery, then don't bring it up.

Here's the problem: strict liability laws are prone to abuse, especially when they involve arbitrary limits. When this girl was still 17, her relationship with that fifteen year old was not illegal. But the moment she turned 18, in spite of their prior relationship, and relative age proximity, it became illegal. Cases like this are brought up only because of vindictive parents, and represent a waste of legal resources. Additionally, in a few months the younger girl will turn 16, in which case it would not longer be illegal for anyone younger than 24 to have sex with her due to Florida's variable age of consent law.

[TaQud]

there's a website called lgbtnation? hmm you learned something knew everyday

[Aethrys]

Welcome in the US i would say... over here they can't even arrest that girl for such thing... she hasn't commited any crime in my eyes, otherwise they should forbid every relation between an "adult" and a "child" (of a normal age difference) wich is just stupid

Sexual relationships between adults and children are forbidden. That's why this girl is going to jail. I don't know what you're trying to say here.

[Sedikal]

Are you sure? When I had sexual relations with an 18 year old women as a 16 year old I'm damn sure I was consending to it.

That depends on where you live, in Connecticut you had a perfectly healthy sexual encounter, in Delaware you were raped.

It took place in kansas. Not to familer with Kansas statutory rape laws but I do think they consiter that tape. Which is weird considering I didn't feel raped.

[Central Slavia]

Absurdly high age of consent,
It should be set to 15 years or so ,to fucking reflect reality.

Hell no. We don't need 20 yr olds fucking 15 yr olds legally.

I'd prefer to leave that to the participants to decide. In fact, cases like this show why it'd be a good idea.
At 15 you are old enough to get work, get your ID , get criminal responsibility, and indeed where I'm from, it's the age of consent. Don't think we have any greater occurence of paedophillia than elsewhere, but it does prevent lawsuits where everyone loses out.

[Abatael]

It was "common sense" that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Common sense can be wrong. To say it's right because it's common sense is a fallacy as well.
Also, it has yet to be proven that this is common sense. I disagree.

Edit: Also, if you're not comparing this to slavery, then don't bring it up.

The Earth is technically the centre of the Observable Universe and almost nobody has thought the Earth is flat for thousands of years.

Why are you so vehemently depending the law in this case? Do you just like the law out is it your opinion that it should be kept this way.

The earth is not the center of the universe. That is what was said. Nothing else. And I said "was."

I don't understand your question.

[Zweite Alaje]

Because 15 year olds shouldn't be having sex at all.

It's entirely natural for an animal to have sex when the urges arrive, humanity is not the exception to this rule. I would however put forward the motion of showering the youth with lemon fresh condoms and sex education.

Nature doesn't mean anything when it comes to order.

Regardless of opinion, the girls knew what they were doing was illegal and should be punished, that is how society must function.

[Shofercia]

I've heard of rather idiotic zero tolerance cases in the US, not just in Florida. The ones that involved an 18 year old banging a 15 year old, with clear cut consent. And they were hetero.

That was statutory rape.

Ok, let me present a really obvious case. Say you have a 17 year old, dating a 15 year old. And because the 15 year old is slightly smarter, they're taking the same classes for half of the day. And they've been going strong for years before this. They're going to get married, once they're done with high school. Both of their parents approve of their relationship. It's 100% consensual. If she says stops, he stops, and goes to make her tea. And doesn't bug her for the night. Two years pass. He's 19, she's 17. They're still banging. They're three months away from marriage. And then, before having sex, they forgot to close the blinds on their second story window. A peeping tom records them having sex, and posts videos online. For three days in a row. Authorities get hold of said videos, and recognize them! Two months before they marry, they take him away for statutory rape. To spend two years in jail.

Do you understand now, why zero tolerance laws, suck?

[Des-Bal]

Then what is common sense? After you define it, prove to us that it is common sense this form of rape should be allowed.

The law is not wrong; the law is the law. People are wrong.

The law is right because the law is the law, I never understood why MLK couldn't get that through his head.

[LANDOF]

Here's the problem: strict liability laws are prone to abuse, especially when they involve arbitrary limits. When this girl was still 17, her relationship with that fifteen year old was not illegal. But the moment she turned 18, in spite of their prior relationship, and relative age proximity, it became illegal. Cases like this are brought up only because of vindictive parents, and represent a waste of legal resources. Additionally, in a few months the younger girl will turn 16, in which case it would not longer be illegal for anyone younger than 24 to have sex with her due to Florida's variable age of consent law.

This sucks.

[The Sector Union]

Because 15 year olds shouldn't be having sex at all.

It's entirely natural for an animal to have sex when the urges arrive, humanity is not the exception to this rule. I would however put forward the motion of showering the youth with lemon fresh condoms and sex education.

But in today, children are in an education stage.We're not wild beasts anymore. So there is no need for people under 18 to reproduce.