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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun May 19, 2013 2:55 pm

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New Rogernomics wrote:No you can't, nor can you with race, it would only work if you measure a geographical region (which that race or ethnicity happens to be in).

Yes you can.
Hear talk, no evidence to back your claims up. If you want to continue this, just made a new topic: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=242054
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun May 19, 2013 2:57 pm

If you still think race is even an important observable reality you might find a statistical quirk here and there. By and large, taking the ever present exceptions into account, white really can't jump. By the same token it seems to be challenging for black folks to swim competitively. OF course it happens, but it is not the norm.

Do I care? If I am drowning, I would be delighted to see a black lifeguard.

So in real life the statistical differences don't mean much.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun May 19, 2013 2:58 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Exactly, "race" has more to do with cultural elements. Genetically humans exist in a continuum with no clean cut racial divisions.

Right no "Clean cut" divisions, which is why the concept of racial "purity" is nonsense.

But this doesn't discount Race.

Afte all don't genetics play a role in how a culture is formed as well as enviroment and thought?
Well it doesn't discount race, so long as the study is done by geographical region i.e. Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, North America.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun May 19, 2013 3:03 pm

Pope Joan wrote:If you still think race is even an important observable reality you might find a statistical quirk here and there. By and large, taking the ever present exceptions into account, white really can't jump. By the same token it seems to be challenging for black folks to swim competitively. OF course it happens, but it is not the norm.

Do I care? If I am drowning, I would be delighted to see a black lifeguard.

So in real life the statistical differences don't mean much.
I don't think it is too important, it is more the geographical area; than 'race' or arbitrary distinctions like 'ethnicity' that counts in a study. If I was to study people on several pacific islands, you wouldn't be able to determine anything by setting aside those that use language x vs language y; though you could determine something if it was by geographical area i.e. pacific islands vs Africa.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:20 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:It has jack shit to do with liberalism.

Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

No that would be scientists. Does the word science not exist in your vocabulary? Parroting "LIBERALS!" every five seconds wasn't cute the first time and it isn't now.
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Postby Choronzon » Sun May 19, 2013 3:23 pm

Thats an incredibly long winded way of saying you think black people are inferior.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:25 pm

Choronzon wrote:Thats an incredibly long winded way of saying you think black people are inferior.
Choronzon wrote:Thats an incredibly long winded way of saying you think black people are inferior.

It gives me an excuse to shit in public and tell people to pick up my shit. After all, I don't know any better.
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Postby Evraim » Sun May 19, 2013 3:30 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It has jack shit to do with liberalism.

Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

I'm a conservative biology student, and I'm telling you that race is not a biological reality.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:31 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

I'm a conservative biology student, and I'm telling you that race is not a biological reality.

Shhh, don't break his bubble.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 19, 2013 3:34 pm

Evraim wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

I'm a conservative biology student, and I'm telling you that race is not a biological reality.

Obviously you're not a true conservative. *nod*

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun May 19, 2013 3:34 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

No that would be scientists. Does the word science not exist in your vocabulary? Parroting "LIBERALS!" every five seconds wasn't cute the first time and it isn't now.


That's nice. I don't care what you think is cute or not, my views don't revolve around you.

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it does. Liberals the main proponents of race denial.

I'm a conservative biology student, and I'm telling you that race is not a biological reality.

There are always defectors.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:36 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No that would be scientists. Does the word science not exist in your vocabulary? Parroting "LIBERALS!" every five seconds wasn't cute the first time and it isn't now.


That's nice. I don't care what you think is cute or not, my views don't revolve around you.


No shit. I live in reality.

You live in Narnia, or some other magical place where liberal means the opposite of what it actually means. When you want to have an actual discussion between mature adults, expand your vocabulary.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Evraim » Sun May 19, 2013 3:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Evraim wrote:I'm a conservative biology student, and I'm telling you that race is not a biological reality.

Shhh, don't break his bubble.

I like breaking bubbles though... :unsure:

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Shhh, don't break his bubble.

I like breaking bubbles though... :unsure:

The question remains...are some bubbles inherently superior to others?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Shhh, don't break his bubble.

I like breaking bubbles though... :unsure:

I like breaking bubbles when they learn something from it. I don't think any learning will occur in this case.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Evraim » Sun May 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Evraim wrote:I like breaking bubbles though... :unsure:

The question remains...are some bubbles inherently superior to others?

Bigger is always better.

Zweite Alaje wrote:There are always defectors.

Would you care to glance at the articles I posted?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:41 pm

Evraim wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The question remains...are some bubbles inherently superior to others?

Bigger is always better.

I'm willing to suspend science to back up my inherent penis size superiority because of my race.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 19, 2013 3:41 pm

Evraim wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The question remains...are some bubbles inherently superior to others?

Bigger is always better.

Bubblesizeist!

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun May 19, 2013 3:42 pm

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That's nice. I don't care what you think is cute or not, my views don't revolve around you.


No shit. I live in reality.

You live in Narnia, or some other magical place where liberal means the opposite of what it actually means. When you want to have an actual discussion between mature adults, expand your vocabulary.


My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun May 19, 2013 3:43 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No shit. I live in reality.

You live in Narnia, or some other magical place where liberal means the opposite of what it actually means. When you want to have an actual discussion between mature adults, expand your vocabulary.


My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.

Science isn't liberal nor conservative. It is science, and if it breaks your little world to bad. Until you can prove them wrong, you are wrong and ignoring scientific evidence.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun May 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No shit. I live in reality.

You live in Narnia, or some other magical place where liberal means the opposite of what it actually means. When you want to have an actual discussion between mature adults, expand your vocabulary.


My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.

So...you're a linguist? That just makes your failure to use terms correctly that much more pathetic.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Xsyne » Sun May 19, 2013 3:46 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No shit. I live in reality.

You live in Narnia, or some other magical place where liberal means the opposite of what it actually means. When you want to have an actual discussion between mature adults, expand your vocabulary.


My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.

So where'd you get your doctorate, then?
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Postby Xirxixcroxior » Sun May 19, 2013 3:48 pm

No. Although certain skin colours have advantages in certain climates, superiority of "race" (wich is non-existent) is bogus.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun May 19, 2013 3:49 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.

So...you're a linguist? That just makes your failure to use terms correctly that much more pathetic.

Yes, I'm a linguist. Also, you have yet to prove how I'm using "liberal" incorrectly.


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Zweite Alaje wrote:
My use of "liberal" is in accordance and constistent with everything liberals do and promote. Funny you should mention vocabulary, considering I'm a linguist, my vocabulary is most likely many times that of yours.

Science isn't liberal nor conservative. It is science, and if it breaks your little world to bad. Until you can prove them wrong, you are wrong and ignoring scientific evidence.


It is always good to be skeptical of "scientific evidence", especially these days.
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