Obama Proposes Selling the TVA

[New Chalcedon]

Republicans are against privatising something?

Yeah this is really confusing...

Not really. Obama's proposing it, so the Republicans are against it - even if they were for it for decades until the minute before Obama proposed it.

Frankly, this entire sad episode is emblematic of two things:

(1) Obama's sad and sorry desire to capitulate at every turn in order to be the "adult" in the room; and
(2) The GOP's inability to take "Yes" for an answer.

[New Rogernomics]

So Obama is a closet Republican, who knew?

[New Chalcedon]

So Obama is a closet Republican, who knew?

Well gee, it's not like he's embraced supply-side policies, embarked upon austerity, proposed gutting Social Security and given huge corporate giveaways. Oh, wait....that's exactly what he's done.

The more Obama governs from a "1990s Republican" worldview, the more it becomes obvious that the entirety of the GOP's objections to the Obama Presidency rest upon who he is (aka a Democrat, or for the less charitable, a non-white) rather than upon what he's done.

[Norstal]

Repealing DADT is a rightist policy now.

Weren't some Republicans originally opposed to DADT?

What prevents Republicans from being leftist?

[New Rogernomics]

So Obama is a closet Republican, who knew?

Well gee, it's not like he's embraced supply-side policies, embarked upon austerity, proposed gutting Social Security and given huge corporate giveaways. Oh, wait....that's exactly what he's done.

The more Obama governs from a "1990s Republican" worldview, the more it becomes obvious that the entirety of the GOP's objections to the Obama Presidency rest upon who he is (aka a Democrat, or for the less charitable, a non-white) rather than upon what he's done.

Pretty much, when his term is over I doubt many will remember him beyond the fact he was the first 'black' President.

[Risottia]

1) My dad works for TVA as a Foreman of a Line Crew. Hes been there 26 years and its always been a good job for him. You grow up around it, and I suppose it grows on you. 2) Here shortly, I will be going to Lineman Training down at Bellefonte and if I pass I will become employed by TVA. So it kind of worries me that if I did get a job, and it was sold, what would happen to mine and everyone else's jobs?

What's that, a sort of Greek-style inheritable governmental job?

[Norstal]

Yeah. But everything Obama does and advocate is rightist.

Issues regarding personal liberty aren't left/right.

You srs.

I give up really. Obama just can't do anything right in the eyes of libertarians and right-wingers.

[Luveria]

1) My dad works for TVA as a Foreman of a Line Crew. Hes been there 26 years and its always been a good job for him. You grow up around it, and I suppose it grows on you. 2) Here shortly, I will be going to Lineman Training down at Bellefonte and if I pass I will become employed by TVA. So it kind of worries me that if I did get a job, and it was sold, what would happen to mine and everyone else's jobs?

What's that, a sort of Greek-style inheritable governmental job?

I now see why Obama wants to privatize TVA.

[Forster Keys]

Yeah this is really confusing...

Not really. Obama's proposing it, so the Republicans are against it - even if they were for it for decades until the minute before Obama proposed it.

Frankly, this entire sad episode is emblematic of two things:

(1) Obama's sad and sorry desire to capitulate at every turn in order to be the "adult" in the room; and
(2) The GOP's inability to take "Yes" for an answer.

It's refreshing to see someone of the left who doesn't take such a hypocritical view on this issue.

[New Chalcedon]

Not really. Obama's proposing it, so the Republicans are against it - even if they were for it for decades until the minute before Obama proposed it.

Frankly, this entire sad episode is emblematic of two things:

(1) Obama's sad and sorry desire to capitulate at every turn in order to be the "adult" in the room; and
(2) The GOP's inability to take "Yes" for an answer.

It's refreshing to see someone of the left who doesn't take such a hypocritical view on this issue.

Oh, I lost patience with Obama a long time ago. What sealed the deal - for me - was his utterly craven tossing of Social Security under the bus. Not even Bill Clinton - for all that the Left gripes about his time in office - touches SocSec.

[Trotskylvania]

I made a Scumbag Obama for this occasion.

[Luveria]

So Obama is a closet Republican, who knew?

In this situation the republicans are the closet democrats.

[Dejanic]

Obama is trying to out right wing the Republicans, and its worked. We actually have the republicans defending the working class and a section of the public sector.

[Gauthier]

Which just goes to show if Obama turned into an ancap every Republican would outsocialize Hugo Chavez just to spite him.

[Luveria]

Which just goes to show if Obama turned into an ancap every Republican would outsocialize Hugo Chavez just to spite him.

I don't doubt that at all.

[Dejanic]

Well not in Tennessee he doesn't. Refreshingly if an actual decision requires the acquiescence or any role of the state of TN, then state Republicans look to block it. How odd this world is.

The TVA, oddly enough operates outside of Tennessee, with the boundaries of its administration extending as far as Virginia and South Carolina.

It's not odd, it's called the "Tennessee" valley authority, not because of the state of Tennessee, but because of the Tennessee valley drainage basin of the Tennessee river, which runs through several states including the ones you mentioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tenne ... ershed.png

[Dejanic]

Which just goes to show if Obama turned into an ancap every Republican would outsocialize Hugo Chavez just to spite him.

I'm sure we'd have comrade Boehner quoting Lenin by the hour.

[Iron Confederation]

It's about time the federal government stopped spending national tax dollars for a project that benefits only the Tennessee Valley area. Job well done, Obama.

Of course, Obama is still going to appear "far-left" to every single conservative ever because he's a Democrat, but...

[New Chalcedon]

It's about time the federal government stopped spending national tax dollars for a project that benefits only the Tennessee Valley area. Job well done, Obama.

Of course, Obama is still going to appear "far-left" to every single conservative ever because he's a Democrat, but...

First, the TVA makes money, it doesn't spend it. Second, I view the TVA as a proper application of the power of government - to provide an absolutely necessary good that naturally tends toward monopolistic supply at a reasonable price.

If the TVA gets sold, you can count on electricity costs to surge in the region. And where will that money (taken from the meager pockets of the working folk of some of America's poorest States) go? Straight to Wall Street, that's where! It's ridiculous - it's almost like Obama wants to rid himself of every legacy of the Democratic Party!

The Congressional Democrats need to stand up and be counted. They need to say, loud, clear and in public: "We are Democrats, no matter what the President wants!"

[Gauthier]

It's about time the federal government stopped spending national tax dollars for a project that benefits only the Tennessee Valley area. Job well done, Obama.

Of course, Obama is still going to appear "far-left" to every single conservative ever because he's a Democrat, but...

First, the TVA makes money, it doesn't spend it. Second, I view the TVA as a proper application of the power of government - to provide an absolutely necessary good that naturally tends toward monopolistic supply at a reasonable price.

If the TVA gets sold, you can count on electricity costs to surge in the region. And where will that money (taken from the meager pockets of the working folk of some of America's poorest States) go? Straight to Wall Street, that's where! It's ridiculous - it's almost like Obama wants to rid himself of every legacy of the Democratic Party!

The Congressional Democrats need to stand up and be counted. They need to say, loud, clear and in public: "We are Democrats, no matter what the President wants!"

Or Obama proposed this knowing exactly that the Republicans are hardwired to Never Let the Uppity Nigger Win and would react outright socialist in response. Obama be trollin' the GOP.

[Starkiller101]

whats the tva

[Luveria]

whats the tva

There's a link in the first post.

[Starkiller101]

whats the tva

There's a link in the first post.

thanks

[Zonolia]

Welcome to the 6 'o clock news, in recent events the Republican Party has shown support against the privatization of the TVA; and in other news, hell is reporting in a large freeze-over, it hasn't experience these conditions in years.

[New Chalcedon]

First, the TVA makes money, it doesn't spend it. Second, I view the TVA as a proper application of the power of government - to provide an absolutely necessary good that naturally tends toward monopolistic supply at a reasonable price.

If the TVA gets sold, you can count on electricity costs to surge in the region. And where will that money (taken from the meager pockets of the working folk of some of America's poorest States) go? Straight to Wall Street, that's where! It's ridiculous - it's almost like Obama wants to rid himself of every legacy of the Democratic Party!

The Congressional Democrats need to stand up and be counted. They need to say, loud, clear and in public: "We are Democrats, no matter what the President wants!"

Or Obama proposed this knowing exactly that the Republicans are hardwired to Never Let the Uppity Nigger Win and would react outright socialist in response. Obama be trollin' the GOP.

Eh. Obama's veered far enough right on important enough issues that I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt any more. He's a Wall Street Democrat: someone calling themselves a "Democrat" while being pro-corporate to the extent of making the DLCers look like raging socialists.