Abortion is Murder

[Kuomintang]

Why wouldn't it be murder?

Why would it be? It wasn't a person.

Biased poll is biased.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's a shame the truth makes you uncomfortable.

[Stelarus]

there was no fetus. 6 weeks pregnant is an embryo.

it needs to be a crime but first degree murder is unwarranted.

this.

[Ashmoria]

In most places, I would image yes. However, trying to get him for "first degree murder" is 1) more likely to make him plead guilty for a lesser charge and 2) makes for better headlines.

3) To push public perception of the termination of pregnancies ever-closer to "abortion is murder", and to try to create an anti-Roe vs. Wade.

yes

because if it is murder for HIM to give her an abortion drug at 6 weeks why is it then ok for HER to willingly take the same drug in order to end the pregnancy?

isn't murder an offense only against the person who dies? in both scenarios the same "person" dies.

[Ovisterra]

Argue if you want but I made abortion legal in my nation on this basis.

Oh, well that's that then.

Well, shit. I've got nothing.

Biased poll is biased.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's a shame the truth makes you uncomfortable.

Oh god, you're one of those people.

[The Whispers]

3) To push public perception of the termination of pregnancies ever-closer to "abortion is murder", and to try to create an anti-Roe vs. Wade.

The court isn't calling abortion murder, it is calling the unwanted forced termination of a pregnancy murder.

Right but if there's a thing on the statute books that is already "the unwanted termination of a pregnancy" as a crime, why not use that rather than murder, given that it actually fits the definition?

[Krakosov]

its a brainless piece of skin, its just as much murder as removing a tumor.

The court isn't calling abortion murder, it is calling the unwanted forced termination of a pregnancy murder.

the point is still relevant, he should be charged with something else.

[The Emerald Legion]

"Don't you care?!"
"Care? No, why should I care?"
"Because they're people and they're going to die!"
"I do not understand you, there are people dying all over your world yet you do not care about them."


Bonus Points to anyone who gets the reference.

[Kuomintang]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

[ALMF]

its a brainless piece of skin, its just as much murder as removing a tumor.

Ok. And? What's that have to do with the federal murder statute?

It makes the EXISTENCE thereof a Crime Against Sentience.

[Neo Art]

Why wouldn't it be murder?

Why would it be? It wasn't a person.

For what purposes? It seems for the purposes of the federal murder statute, it most certainly was a person.

[Ovisterra]

Right but if there's a thing on the statute books that is already "the unwanted termination of a pregnancy" as a crime, why not use that rather than murder, given that it actually fits the definition?

I wasn't aware of such an offence.

Care to source it?

[Cosara]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

A woman has no right to dictate over weather or not someone gets a chance to live.

[Nadkor]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

Well, I mean, given that "murder" is a legal term with an actual definition and that abortion falls outside that definition I'm going to go ahead and say that your stance is wrong.

You might not like abortion. You might want it to be murder.

But abortion is not murder.

(Obviously this isn't the case everywhere, but I'm talking about Cosara's location)

[Meinkraft]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

*Looks at flag* Gee, I wonder what our first clue was!

The fact that he did it is wrong and hurtful (He should be charged with fraud) but fetuses are not human until eight months after conception.

[Ovisterra]

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

A woman has no right to dictate over weather or not someone gets a chance to live.

If that someone is attached to her body she is entitled to remove them.

[Land of Tob]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

So I'd have no right to control your finger if you want to press on the trigger? Because basically - it's the same thing.

[Ovisterra]

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

So I'd have no right to control your finger if you want to press on the trigger? Because basically - it's the same thing.

Erm, no, it's not.

[Stelarus]

3) To push public perception of the termination of pregnancies ever-closer to "abortion is murder", and to try to create an anti-Roe vs. Wade.

yes

because if it is murder for HIM to give her an abortion drug at 6 weeks why is it then ok for HER to willingly take the same drug in order to end the pregnancy?

isn't murder an offense only against the person who dies? in both scenarios the same "person" dies.

OK, I don't agree with the "Abortion is murder" thing, I don't think it is,
But preventing a woman from having a child by making her miscarry when she wants to should count as a crime, but against the woman, not the thing that could have become a person.

[Cosara]

A woman has no right to dictate over weather or not someone gets a chance to live.

If that someone is attached to her body she is entitled to remove them.

If it's a human life, it is murder if she does so.

[Nadkor]

You have no right dictate control over my or any woman's body. That is my stance.

So I'd have no right to control your finger if you want to press on the trigger? Because basically - it's the same thing.

Analogy fail.

[Souseiseki]

Why wouldn't it be murder?

Why would it be? It wasn't a person.

Biased poll is biased.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's a shame the truth makes you uncomfortable.

so how long do you think the guy should go away with this?

as a pro-choice person you must be really pissed about this woman having her choice forcefully taken away

[Neo Art]

Abortion is murder. That is my stance.

Well, I mean, given that "murder" is a legal term with an actual definition and that abortion falls outside that definition I'm going to go ahead and say that your stance is wrong.

You might not like abortion. You might want it to be murder.

But abortion is not murder.

(Obviously this isn't the case everywhere, but I'm talking about Cosara's location)

Well, abortion most certainly CAN be murder. What the defendant did cause is unambiguously an abortion. And it would seem, causing an abortion in an unwilling woman constitutes murder under the federal statute.

[Ovisterra]

If that someone is attached to her body she is entitled to remove them.

If it's a human life, it is murder if she does so.

Only if it's illegal.

Which it's not, so you're objectively wrong.

[The Whispers]

Right but if there's a thing on the statute books that is already "the unwanted termination of a pregnancy" as a crime, why not use that rather than murder, given that it actually fits the definition?

I wasn't aware of such an offence.

Care to source it?

No, I was just going by what I was told in the thread (which is that it was a thing in the US). If it doesn't exist, it absolutely should.

[Vistulange]

Oh dear God this thread again.