China lays claim to Okinawa as territory dispute with Japan

[Pagan Hungary]

When it comes to territorial disputes, why are the inhabitants of the actual land rarely consulted. Regarding the Falklands, the local vote clearly showed favour towards remaining British. I think the same thing should occur in the islands of Ryuku, I am assuming that the populace mainly speaks Japanese and that their culture has integrated into Japan's. I don't think China has any reason to claim the islands except for being imperialists; no point giving something that has been integrated.

[Saiwania]

How naive of you to think that this is remotely possible. This isn't the 12th century any more. Nations don't go on wars of conquest anymore...

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

How naive of you to think that this is remotely possible. This isn't the 12th century any more. Nations don't go on wars of conquest anymore...

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

[Herador]

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

Probably is waiting to see what China will do or how Japan will respond.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

Probably is waiting to see what China will do or how Japan will respond.

Like when they eyed on Germany and USSR in the past?

[Karelo-Finnish SSR]

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

Probably because the economy is so reliant on China, and vice-versa. That's why China's been so hesitant with their under-the-table Imperialism.

[Gigaverse]

China's been so hesitant with their under-the-table Imperialism.

That, or the exact opposite?

For once, I guess I can support the US.

[Saiwania]

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

The US won't be able to do anything about China sooner or later, which is projected to surpass the US in economic prowess and military might.
The Chinese are actually beating the western nations at capitalism and will only get stronger. That is what happens when the majority of manufacturing is outsourced to China.

[NERVUN]

It is more likely the Senkakus. After all, the Senkaku are a part of Okinawa (and are close to them). Should Japan's claims to Okinawa be weaken, how much weaker would their claims on the Senkaku be?

Not to mention trying to kickstart an independence movement would give Tokyo something close to home to worry about.

Would you say Japan drives out the Chinese in those islands?

The Senkaku? No one lives on them, but Japan had administrative control.

[NERVUN]

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Why isn't U.S. doing anything about this?

The US is, what did you think the pivot to Asia President Obama announced is?

Regardless of what they said, it's obvious aim is to counter China.

[Unemployable Musicians]

China being a dick over S. China Sea Islands, what a surprise. They even illegitimately took over the islands that are disputed by Vietnam.

That's China for you,they claim asia in the name of the Chinese civilization!

So sadly true what you say. China Gov. is two-faced. Pushing N.Korea to bluster and yet acting as a peace broker. An ingrained nationalist inferiority complex has them terrified of the possibility of one day a true democratic country might be a land neighbor. China is also NOW in a little known war now with India over borderlands that a uninhabitable.

[Benburger]

I think i should be owned by..

Guam......Taiwan.....America......France.....Norway.....and finally

Denmark!!!!

[Mirkana]

Cutting trade to the US would send China's economy into a free-fall too. At least the US would still have India, Europe, Australia, Canada, and Mexico to trade with.

Europe? Europe's economy is screwed. In fact, china could cause a global depression. If they were to cut off trade with the US, the US economy would fall. Then, there would be no one to bail Greece or France (who has entered a recession). In only a few months, Europe, china, America, and Europe would be suffering in a depression.

Not without crippling their own economy in the process. And the US would recover faster, probably by investing elsewhere for factories, not to mention manufacturing more of its own crap. The US is only dependent on China because China has outcompeted our own manufacturers, not because the US can't make those things.

[Jetan]

Chinese dialects are a valid basis for judgment, because the difference between Norman and Standard French is not enough to constitute a language. Yorkshire Dialect or Geordie is probably just as liable to call themselves a language if Norman calls itself a language seperate from French.

No they aren't. Different languages, and different language family --> not valid basis.

Simply because there is not many difference between 'Norman-French' and Standard French. I suppose it may slightly more differences than, say, between Yorkshire Dialect, Geordie, and all that, from Standard English, but not too much.

The differences between Swedish, Norwegian and Danish are minimal and they are all mutually intelligible. By your definition they would be dialects, which is incorrect.

Nope, not a language. The languages of Chinese are mutually incomprehensible, and there's multiple subdivisions of it.

Nope, it is a language. It is simply divided into mutually incomprehensible dialects.

If they are not intelligible they are not dialects, but separate languages.

[Dokrib Choseon]

He did, said he does not post so the biased ebil mauds wont deat him.

They are not THAT bad, granted the mods dislike me but they do their job well.

Ooh, so capitalists wishing for deaths of other members of NSG shouldn't be mod-traced and deleted.

Once again, I must say I love how your twisted mind work, Dok.

Ahh, so nice to know I have a fan... So flattering

Well, since you all asked SOOO nicely, I'll humor you all once again. At least for a few minutes. Just to clear some shit up.

Firstly, contrary to the rumors that have been circulating in my absence, apparently - I never "wished death" on any individual member. The mods themselves confirmed that I didn't in the very thread I was banned in. Look for yourselves.

I was actually banned for being intellectually honest enough to state that yes, indeed, the political philosophy I hold to, does justify the use of violence - in the specific context of revolution. I don't believe the other poster was in a nation currently undergoing a revolutionary movement, nor is he likely actively opposing such; so no, I don't particularly wish him well or ill one way or another. I just happen to feel that when there are those opposing my political philosophy by force, it's justified to use force in turn against them. Read some Fanon or something if you want the axioms. If that's not banned here too these days. But at the end of the day, most everyone out there of any philosophy sees violence as justified at least in some circumstances against those opposed by violence to their political philosophies. Or they wouldn't have militaries, or police, or... yeah.

And because I was banned just for stating my political position, I don't really see the point in hanging around here too much anymore; as my primary purpose in coming here was to discuss politics. Which I generally consider to be a moderately entertaining and worthwhile affair.

But since there's still a few on the site I'm marginally in contact with, and would rather not lose this account as well, I'll stay away from getting into politics, or really being too active in general.

I'm in China again anyhow. Living a quite nice, happy life, with a much better job and quality of life than I ever found in Babylon (to which I never ever ever wish to return... >___< ). Busy though, so I'm not online that much period, thus this site even less. If anyone actually cares to stay in contact, telegram me or whatever. But it's likely I'll only be marginally active, if at all, for the forseeable future.

[Dokrib Choseon]

How naive of you to think that this is remotely possible. This isn't the 12th century any more. Nations don't go on wars of conquest anymore...

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Taiwan isn't a nation, it's an autonomous province of China. Amusingly, even the UN agrees with me, at least on the first bit. Guess with the law of large numbers, they're apt to get SOMETHING right...

[Regnum Dominae]

China may disguise such expansionist actions as merely being diplomacy but that is exactly what the established trend is showing. China first has gone after Taiwan and ever since verging into superpower status, has become even bolder with their territorial claims. They will lie and make up revanchist excuses for their territorial disputes but ultimately they want more land and know they have the means to accomplish that.

That is why China is encroaching on India's territory and is wanting to pick off islands in the South China sea and from Japan. China is testing how far it can go before anyone will want to stop them and only then will they relent.

Taiwan isn't a nation, it's an autonomous province of China. Amusingly, even the UN agrees with me, at least on the first bit. Guess with the law of large numbers, they're apt to get SOMETHING right...

De facto, it's a fully functioning, fully independent nation.

[Xirxixcroxior]

1. Give Okinawa to Luxembourg
2. China likes Luxembourg and enter alliance
3. Foundation of the Qing-Joseon-Nassau Dynasty
4. ?
5. World domination

Honestly does the PRC not have enough people and land to worry about?

[Ganos Lao]

It's another way to say "99.999999999999999999999999% percent of it".

Ah, so close bro.
No. Only the densely populated areas and the mainland.
The Islands will be left alone.

Should I get the memorial ready for NERV? He'll be in the line of fire, sadly.

[Ganos Lao]

Firstly, contrary to the rumors that have been circulating in my absence, apparently - I never "wished death" on any individual member. The mods themselves confirmed that I didn't in the very thread I was banned in. Look for yourselves.

Ah, Doku-well, Dokrib. I wouldn't consider them to be mere rumors. The mods did confirm that, as Arch said:

However, Dokuritsu Nippon was stating that he'd like to see "death for enemies of the working people of the world" after he had earlier characterised at least one other individual in the thread as an "enemy of the working people of the world". We are therefore forced to conclude that even if he wasn't directing that towards Tiger Kingdom specifically, that he would generally like to see the deaths of those members of NSG that he believes to be enemies of the working people of the world; this includes individuals in the reported thread.

You pretty much did imply that you'd generally like to see NSG members die, but whatever - that's not the topic of discussion, and I'd rather not air our your dirty laundry and get the thread locked since it's going decently enough.

So you're in China, eh?

I'd ask you about how you feel about them using the imperialist, feudalist, monarchy's old relationships with tributary states to justify claims on Okinawa. I mean, surely that doesn't make you too happy.

[Ganos Lao]

1. Give Okinawa to Luxembourg
2. China likes Luxembourg and enter alliance
3. Foundation of the Qing-Joseon-Nassau Dynasty
4. ?
5. World domination

Honestly does the PRC not have enough people and land to worry about?

Luxembourg? Nah, man, Lichtenstein, that's who we ought to give it too.

[Dokrib Choseon]

Firstly, contrary to the rumors that have been circulating in my absence, apparently - I never "wished death" on any individual member. The mods themselves confirmed that I didn't in the very thread I was banned in. Look for yourselves.

Ah, Doku-well, Dokrib. I wouldn't consider them to be mere rumors. The mods did confirm that, as Arch said:

However, Dokuritsu Nippon was stating that he'd like to see "death for enemies of the working people of the world" after he had earlier characterised at least one other individual in the thread as an "enemy of the working people of the world". We are therefore forced to conclude that even if he wasn't directing that towards Tiger Kingdom specifically, that he would generally like to see the deaths of those members of NSG that he believes to be enemies of the working people of the world; this includes individuals in the reported thread.

You pretty much did imply that you'd generally like to see NSG members die, but whatever - that's not the topic of discussion, and I'd rather not air our your dirty laundry and get the thread locked since it's going decently enough.

Just again for sake of clarification, only in the context of an existing revolution; and whether or not someone posts on a relatively arbitrary forum online has no bearing on the status of such one way or another. Most of you are just text on a screen to me, that seemingly in no way have any intersection with my own life. So yeah. I'm completely indifferent to most of your fates. One or two I have some degree of active positive feelings towards; the rest, I don't particularly care one way or another.

So you're in China, eh?

Beijing in particular this time, yes.

I'd ask you about how you feel about them using the imperialist, feudalist, monarchy's old relationships with tributary states to justify claims on Okinawa. I mean, surely that doesn't make you too happy.

Honestly, I think Babylon is probably making a much bigger deal out of this whole thing than China itself in its media. Like, none of my Chinese friends have said shit to me over this... And it never was on CCTV when I watched it. But whatever.

Honestly, though, I find the whole thing kind of amusing. Japan and China have been all pissy at each other over meaningless, basically uninhabitted rocks at sea for years now. Then there's the Shansa deal, and some similar shit between China and the Koreas and Vietnam. Japan has similar 'fights' with the Koreas and Russia. Okinawa is apparently the next in a long chain of such things.

Maybe in the very class, antiquarian sense of the word, you might be able to call this sort of thing where countries trade angry words over whole 'really' controls these islands 'imperialism'; but, no one is dying, no bombs are being dropped, no corporations are profiting off the subjugation and misery of another nation. No nations, or regions of nations, for that matter, are losing their de facto sovereignty. So... personally, I'm much more concerned with say what the US and its allies are doing in Syria right now than whatever angry words China and Japan might have with each other. At least there's a lot less actual harm from this.

So frankly... would I like to see China get Okinawa (and thus the US military getting kicked the fuck OFF), sure. It's not likely to happen though. Better yet, a bottom-up revolutionary movement in Okinawa to get the US military out; there's already quite a strong sentiment to that end there, so... honestly, I don't give a damn which way Okinawa goes. Probably Japan in practice.

[Dokrib Choseon]

Taiwan isn't a nation, it's an autonomous province of China. Amusingly, even the UN agrees with me, at least on the first bit. Guess with the law of large numbers, they're apt to get SOMETHING right...

De facto, it's a fully functioning, fully independent nation.

You do know the definition of "autonomous", yes?

[Farshonia]

Chinese lame soldier can't do shit against over the Japanese experience soldiers.. even The Philippines during the Korean War,The Chinese soldiers were many but they fight like natives!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yultong
Poor little shitheads.. hahahah lame soldier with lame country,, better suck your own dicks...

[Nimzonia]

So... having historically bullied a now defunct state into paying tribute constitutes a legitimate modern claim to that state's former territory?