China lays claim to Okinawa as territory dispute with Japan

[Vetalia]

You see Chinese not Japanese influenced the Ryukyu Kingdom.

So it seems the US liberated what use to be the Ryukyu Kingdom only to give them back to Japan.

One problem: all that stuff happened 400-600 years ago. Hell, Italy has a much stronger claim to the former provinces of the Roman Empire than the Chinese do to Okinawa.

[NERVUN]

I was under the impression that this was one or two people, not the entire nation.

CCP =/= China

Uh... you do know China is under one party rule.

[NERVUN]

In before the wrath of Nervun.

Too late.

[Norstal]

You see Chinese not Japanese influenced the Ryukyu Kingdom.

So it seems the US liberated what use to be the Ryukyu Kingdom only to give them back to Japan.

The important thing is what they want now. And they don't seem too keen in joining the PRC.

[Ainin]

CCP =/= China

Uh... you do know China is under one party rule.

Yes, but the CCP isn't "the entire nation", which was my point.

[NERVUN]

Japanese since about 1869, you mean, right? Before that it was an independent tributary of a Daimyo in Kyushu, yet also paid tribute to Chinese rulers.

First, Okinawans were there own people with there own culture. But early on they were affected in a good way by China. Thus, early on China had a bigger affect on Okinawan culture.

Bullshit. The language of the Ryukyus is based on Japanese, which has NOTHING to do with Chinese. The culture and religion of Okinawa are closer to Japanese than Chinese.

China was friendly to Okinawans

The Chinese and Okinawans began their relationship, officially, in 1372 when Okinawa's King Satto formed an alliance with the Ming Emperor of China. This alliance would increase the Chinese influence on Okinawa. Then in 1392, as part of a cultural exchange, 36 Chinese families immigrated to Okinawa and settled in a village outside of Naha named Kume. It is known that among the immigrants from China, there were experts in Chinese kempo that helped to build the interest in the martial arts among the Okinawans.

Japanese in time trades with Okinawans. Everything was good until the Japanese decided to become very unfriendly to Okinawans.

The Ryukyu Kingdom expanded and prospered through trade with China, Asia, Korea, and Japan until 1609, when the Satsuma Clan, led by the Shimazu Family, from Kyushu in southern Japan, invaded the island. The Satsuma Clan reinforced the weapons edict and proceeded to milk Okinawa. Okinawa began to be Japanised, meaning that Okinawan customs were foreign, unacceptable and therefor worthy of change. During this time, it was not only illegal to own a weapon, but it was also breaking the law should one be caught making a fist during a disagreement. This is also the time when Okinawan martial arts had to be practiced in secret, which resulted in very little written history and most of that which was written was destroyed during the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

From another source

In 1609, frustrated by Okinawa's refusal to recognize the new Japanese Shogunate, an army of Satsuma clansman invaded Okinawa and crushed the island's defenses.

I have not even mentioned when in the early 20 century the people of those islands were forced to pay more taxes then other parts of Japan at a time that those islands were in an economic crisis.

I should mention that before the founding of the Ryukyu Kingdom, that those islands were divided into three Kingdoms.

In 1429, an Okinawan, by the name of Sho Hashi, united what was known as the three kingdoms: Hokuzan (north), Chuzan (middle), and Nanzan (south), and made his capital in the city of Shuri.

And do not forget this

karate, which is Okinawan, is based on indigenous techniques and techniques acquired from Chinese boxing.

You see Chinese not Japanese influenced the Ryukyu Kingdom.

Except that the peoples of Okinawa seem to have come from the Jomon culture from Japan.

So it seems the US liberated what use to be the Ryukyu Kingdom only to give them back to Japan.

[Orisonte]

I am very angry at the naicha. They teach their language in the schools and not uchinaguchi. They make the young believe they are naicha. Our customs will be lost with this generation. My ancestors cry in heaven.

[Coenston]

Link : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... pan-ryukyu

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China is attempting to open a new front in its territorial dispute with Japan by questioning Tokyo's sovereignty over the island of Okinawa, home to 25,000 US troops.

The two countries are already pushing rival claims to the Senkakus, a chain of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea that are controlled by Tokyo. The dispute over the islands, known as the Diaoyu in China, has hit bilateral trade and sent diplomatic relations to their lowest point for decades.

Beijing began its attempt to broaden the territorial dispute earlier this month when the communist party newspaper, the People's Daily, ran an article in which two Chinese academics challenged Japan's sovereignty over the Ryukyu chain of islands, which includes Okinawa.

Luo Yuan, a two-star general in the People's Liberation Army, raised the territorial stakes again this week, saying the Ryukyus had started paying tribute to China in 1372, half a millennium before they were seized by Japan.

"Let's for now not discuss whether [the Ryukyus] belong to China, they were certainly China's tributary state," Luo said in an interview with China News Service. "I am not saying all former tributary states belong to China, but we can say with certainty that the Ryukyus do not belong to Japan," he added, in comments translated by the South China Morning Post.

The potential for more diplomatic clashes over territory comes amid fresh criticism of Japan's attitude towards its wartime conduct in China and the Korean peninsula.

Beijing reacted angrily after the outspoken nationalist mayor of Osaka, Toru Hashimoto, said this week that Japan's forced recruitment of Asian women to work in military brothels before and during the second world war had been necessary to maintain discipline among soldiers.

"We are appalled and indignant about the Japanese politician's comments boldly challenging humanity and historical justice," Hong Lei, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, told reporters.

"The way they treat the past will determine the way Japan walks toward the future. On what choice Japan will make, its Asian neighbours and the international community will wait and see."

On Wednesday Hashimoto attempted to clarify his remarks, saying he had not sought to justify the use of so-called comfort women, but was questioning why Japan had been singled out for criticism given that other countries had, he said, operated similar schemes.

Okinawa, an island of more than 1 million people, hosts more than half the 47,000 US troops stationed in Japan.

Washington and Tokyo have agreed to reduce Washington's military footprint on Okinawa, but the island is seen as key to the US's ability to respond quickly to maritime provocations by the increasingly robust Chinese navy, as well as a crisis on the Korean peninsula.

In their People's Daily article, Li Guoqiang and Zhang Haipeng, prominent academics at the government-run Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said Japan's annexation of the Ryukyu kingdom in 1879 amounted to an invasion, and that the sovereignty issue remained open to question.

They pointed out that the kingdom had previously been a Chinese vassal state, adding that the ruling Qing dynasty had been too weak to resist Japan's advance.

"Hanging in the balance of history, the unresolved problem of the Ryukyus has finally arrived at the time for reconsideration," they wrote.

In a later article for the paper's sister publication, the Global Times, Li said: "Not only is Japan obliterating the truth about the Ryukyu issue, but it is doubling its aggressiveness and making provocations over the Diaoyu issue. Therefore it is necessary to revisit the Ryukyu issue."

China's foreign ministry dismissed Japanese protests over the article.

Hua Chunying, a ministry spokeswoman, told reporters that China "does not accept Japan's representations or protests". She said the article reflected renewed interest in the islands in the light of Japan's provocative actions over the Senkakus.

Japan's government effectively nationalised three of the disputed islets after buying them from their private owners last year, sparking violent protests across China and forcing the temporary closure of Japanese businesses in the country.

Okinawa, scene of one of the bloodiest battles of the Pacific war, was controlled by the US until it was returned to Japan on 15 May 1972.

The continued presence of US troops and military hardware is a constant source of tension with the civilian population, who complain about crimes by soldiers, noise pollution and the potential for accidents involving aircraft.

Analysts said China was mistaken if it believed that provoking Japan over Okinawa would add momentum to its claims to the Senkaku islands. "If China's goal is to hold talks with Japan over the Senkakus, articles like these are counterproductive," M Taylor Fravel, a Chinese foreign policy expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told Associated Press.

"As a result, Japan has an even stronger incentive now to stand firm with China and not hold talks."

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Huzzah for hostility. This is getting ridiculous, we all know neither side wants to do anything to the other. The resulting war would be devastating for China and Japan would it not. How long do you believe it will be for the nationalist vote pandering to end?

Your thoughts on this latest action NSG?

...and Spratly Island belongs to China too! Haha... I will just wait until they say, California used to be a part of China during the Ming dynasty era until Jacky Chan failed to beat Clint Eastwood in a gunfight.

[Greed and Death]

CCP =/= China

Uh... you do know China is under one party rule.

China has this habit of getting the party to do and say things that can not be said officially as a country. Like while the CCP advances a Chinese claim to Okinawa, the General acting for the government in an official capacity says, well we can't claim all our former tributaries blahg blahg.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Uh... you do know China is under one party rule.

China has this habit of getting the party to do and say things that can not be said officially as a country. Like while the CCP advances a Chinese claim to Okinawa, the General acting for the government in an official capacity says, well we can't claim all our former tributaries blahg blahg.

I don't understand why Chinese officials are divided in the orders that the chairman(Xi Jinping) make.

[Greed and Death]

China has this habit of getting the party to do and say things that can not be said officially as a country. Like while the CCP advances a Chinese claim to Okinawa, the General acting for the government in an official capacity says, well we can't claim all our former tributaries blahg blahg.

I don't understand why Chinese officials are divided in the orders that the chairman(Xi Jinping) make.

Not divided, they just know this is a convenient way to unofficially make a threat toward Japan.

[NERVUN]

I don't understand why Chinese officials are divided in the orders that the chairman(Xi Jinping) make.

Not divided, they just know this is a convenient way to unofficially make a threat toward Japan.

Good run down on it: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/201 ... ZVzF6JHLVo

[Dakran]

Falklands are Chinese, News at 11.

Sigged.

In other news, The Vatican! Chinese or independent?

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Falklands are Chinese, News at 11.

Sigged.

In other news, The Vatican! Chinese or independent?

You mean, including the Pope?

[Dakran]

Sigged.

In other news, The Vatican! Chinese or independent?

You mean, including the Pope?

Sure why not.

But honestly, China is acting how I act in Victoria 2, laying claim to everything I see.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

You mean, including the Pope?

Sure why not.

But honestly, China is acting how I act in Victoria 2, laying claim to everything I see.

Reminds me of Midas Touch. *Touch* "You're golden."

[Strykla]

I kind of feel like every other nation should be collectively yelling, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

[Dakran]

I kind of feel like every other nation should be collectively yelling, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

I am. Hehe.

[Arumdaum]

I kind of feel like every other nation should be collectively yelling, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

I am. Hehe.

No. >:c

[Greed and Death]

You see Chinese not Japanese influenced the Ryukyu Kingdom.

So it seems the US liberated what use to be the Ryukyu Kingdom only to give them back to Japan.

One problem: all that stuff happened 400-600 years ago. Hell, Italy has a much stronger claim to the former provinces of the Roman Empire than the Chinese do to Okinawa.

400-600 years ago the Japanese made the Ryukyu into a tributary of Japan. But they were hands off because they needed the Ryukyu as a trade intermediary between China and Japan, so overt control by Japan did not occur until the 1870's.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Next, they'll claim entire Japan.

[Greed and Death]

Next, they'll claim entire Japan.

See if Japan keeps complaining about our Marines then.

[The Godly Nations]

CCP =/= China

Uh... you do know China is under one party rule.

Two people =/= Entire CCP.

[The Godly Nations]

Next, they'll claim entire Japan.

Of course, once we chase the Communist Bandits from the Mainland, we'll start claiming you Japanese as well. Might as well restore some sanity there.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Next, they'll claim entire Japan.

Of course, once we chase the Communist Bandits from the Mainland, we'll start claiming you Japanese as well. Might as well restore some sanity there.

Uhhm I'm not Japanese