Words and Gender: Does Gender Differentiation Matter?

[Individuality-ness]

No seriously, it's not the same thing. A female can aspire to be an actor. A person cannot aspire to be a dragon, or a dead person.

They can, it's called suicide *brick'd*
Seriously though. An actor is by definition a man who acts. Hence a female can't aspire to be an actor.
She can however aspire to be an actress. Where the only difference between the two terms is the gender of the title-holder.

That's not the definition of actor. The definition is "a person who acts". The word actor is gender-neutral.

Then why have a different word for the same thing?

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

I go on stage and play some role on Broadway. Rex, for example, goes on the stage and does the same thing. What is the difference between what we are both doing?

[The Steel Magnolia]

No it's not. I am a female, I've done acting in high school. I'm an actor. A plant can't suddenly turn to rock. False equivalency.

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Actually, in the theater world, "actress" goes unused.

[Lunalia]

Meet my best friend Sandy. Is Sandy a boy or a girl?

I assume you'll tell me, when or if it becomes relevant. The entire point of this argument is that whether Sandy is a boy or a girl is not relevant to Sandy being able to, say, be a cop. Sandy can be a police officer regardless of Sandy's gender.

Actually, it was a trick question, as I know both a male Sandy and a female Sandy

I'm citing gender specific role descriptors being useful in writing purposes. An actor and an actress are the same thing, the difference being gender. If you're writing about an actress, you don't have to additionally specify that the actress is female, just as you don't have to additionally specify that an actor is male. Which can help prevent pages and pages of descriptions about what a character looks like.

[Nidaria]

I hardly see any objection to them. It is simply being specific in language. I oppose any and all attempts to dumb down the English language.

[The Steel Magnolia]

No it's not. I am a female, I've done acting in high school. I'm an actor. A plant can't suddenly turn to rock. False equivalency.

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Also your shitty attempt at transphobia is shitty.

[Land of Tob]

There we go, another example of an American that presumes the rest of the world has every technical gadget under the sun. Can i search up a topic of conversation whilst i am driving and on the phone?


It is not a personal attack. It is totally relevant if you answer. You see according to the things you have said thus far we can extrapolate from them that one is sexist if one is more attracted to one sex over the other.

...

Are you legitimately fucking serious?

Having a sexual preference is sexist now?

Saying "actress" is sexist now? Are you kidding me?

[The Nihilistic view]

Obviously it never is the same thing if it can destroy your argument.

No seriously, it's not the same thing. A female can aspire to be an actor. A person cannot aspire to be a dragon, or a dead person.

A person can aspire to be anything they like. Aspire=Direct one's hopes or ambitions toward achieving something.

In other words i can aspire to be a dragon but aspiring and achieving are different things. It is the same thing.

[Neo Art]

Seriously though. An actor is by definition a man who acts.

Absolutely and completely untrue. An actor is defined, quite literally, as a person who acts. Actor is, in fact, a gender neutral term. As is "singer", "painter", "writer", and a host of others.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I assume you'll tell me, when or if it becomes relevant. The entire point of this argument is that whether Sandy is a boy or a girl is not relevant to Sandy being able to, say, be a cop. Sandy can be a police officer regardless of Sandy's gender.

Actually, it was a trick question, as I know both a male Sandy and a female Sandy

I'm citing gender specific role descriptors being useful in writing purposes. An actor and an actress are the same thing, the difference being gender. If you're writing about an actress, you don't have to additionally specify that the actress is female, just as you don't have to additionally specify that an actor is male. Which can help prevent pages and pages of descriptions about what a character looks like.

Actually you do have to specify if an actor is male since actor is not a gendered word.

[Land of Tob]

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Also your shitty attempt at transphobia is shitty.

Transphobia? What's that?

[Nailed to the Perch]

No seriously, it's not the same thing. A female can aspire to be an actor. A person cannot aspire to be a dragon, or a dead person.

They can, it's called suicide *brick'd*
Seriously though. An actor is by definition a man who acts.

The suffixes "-or" and "-er" mean "one who." An actor is one who acts. A writer is one who writes. A singer is one who sings. The idea that women must be set aside in their own little special category where instead of being "one who acts" they must be "one who acts WHILE BEING A CHICK" is stupid.

[The Steel Magnolia]

...

Are you legitimately fucking serious?

Having a sexual preference is sexist now?

Saying "actress" is sexist now? Are you kidding me?

Did I say it was?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Also your shitty attempt at transphobia is shitty.

Transphobia? What's that?

Take a guess.

[Individuality-ness]

... that's not the same thing. False equivalence.


You don't own a smartphone, an iPod, a laptop? What?

And no, the question is not relevant AT ALL. Stop attempting to use personal attacks.

There we go, another example of an American that presumes the rest of the world has every technical gadget under the sun. Can i search up a topic of conversation whilst i am driving and on the phone?

Considering that smartphones have a huge market in Europe, it's not an unfair assumption. Don't be obtuse.

It is not a personal attack. It is totally relevant if you answer. You see according to the things you have said thus far we can extrapolate from them that one is sexist if one is more attracted to one sex over the other.

... wut?

[Central Slavia]

Just because you repeat a lie a thousand times doesn't make it true, Mr. Goebbels.

True!

On the other hand, 40-50 odd years of psychiatric research tend to agree with me.

Indeed, all I need to do to prove it is by looking myself in the mirror.

But god no. Insisting on being known by my actual gender clearly makes me a Nazi.

For fuck's sake, grow the hell up.

I fail to see how it's any different from someone persuaded they're a member of different species, or what the fuck else.
It's simple. Gender is determined by these little things called chromosomes, specifically one pair of them which can be either XX - female , XY - male, or a number of rare defects (XXY sterile males, X0 and so on and so on) .
While we don't know how to fix a person who is persuaded they are of the wrong gender, and hence, things like sexual reassignment surgery, and simply letting them roll with it are the best we can do, it changes nothing about the fact that two genders are the norm, and anything in between is simply an anomaly. And we use the norm as a rule for classifying things, not anomalies and exceptions.

[Land of Tob]

Saying "actress" is sexist now? Are you kidding me?

Did I say it was?

Did I say you did? I was picking up on your "road", for the others.

[Land of Tob]

There we go, another example of an American that presumes the rest of the world has every technical gadget under the sun. Can i search up a topic of conversation whilst i am driving and on the phone?

Considering that smartphones have a huge market in Europe, it's not an unfair assumption. Don't be obtuse.

It is not a personal attack. It is totally relevant if you answer. You see according to the things you have said thus far we can extrapolate from them that one is sexist if one is more attracted to one sex over the other.

... wut?

That means we should search up who is what gender opposed to just knowing it instantly? You are ridiculous.

[Seperates]

No it's not. I am a female, I've done acting in high school. I'm an actor. A plant can't suddenly turn to rock. False equivalency.

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Having directed a couple short films, all of the people are actors. Wonderful thing about theatre and film is that you can have a man become a female, or a woman become a male character. Actor is gender neutral (edit: And Nerv beat me to the punch). But then, these were tiny independent ventures and not Hollywood, so I have no idea of the cultural climate there.

[Mirage]

True!

On the other hand, 40-50 odd years of psychiatric research tend to agree with me.

Indeed, all I need to do to prove it is by looking myself in the mirror.

But god no. Insisting on being known by my actual gender clearly makes me a Nazi.

For fuck's sake, grow the hell up.

I fail to see how it's any different from someone persuaded they're a member of different species, or what the fuck else.
It's simple. Gender is determined by these little things called chromosomes, specifically one pair of them which can be either XX - female , XY - male, or a number of rare defects (XXY sterile males, X0 and so on and so on) .
While we don't know how to fix a person who is persuaded they are of the wrong gender, and hence, things like sexual reassignment surgery, and simply letting them roll with it are the best we can do, it changes nothing about the fact that two genders are the norm, and anything in between is simply an anomaly. And we use the norm as a rule for classifying things, not anomalies and exceptions.

Sex =/= gender

[Land of Tob]

Transphobia? What's that?

Take a guess.

I'm Swiss, sorry.

[Central Slavia]

Seriously though. An actor is by definition a man who acts.

Absolutely and completely untrue. An actor is defined, quite literally, as a person who acts. Actor is, in fact, a gender neutral term. As is "singer", "painter", "writer", and a host of others.

Actor is not a gender neutral term , because it refers to men, as opposed to actress, which refers to women. In the same way man isn't a gender neutral term.
Singer, painter and writer are, AFAIK , gender neutral.

[Individuality-ness]

No it's not. I am a female, I've done acting in high school. I'm an actor. A plant can't suddenly turn to rock. False equivalency.

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Asking for people to use gender-neutral words = wanting to be of the opposite gender? SINCE WHEN?!

[The Nihilistic view]

There we go, another example of an American that presumes the rest of the world has every technical gadget under the sun. Can i search up a topic of conversation whilst i am driving and on the phone?


It is not a personal attack. It is totally relevant if you answer. You see according to the things you have said thus far we can extrapolate from them that one is sexist if one is more attracted to one sex over the other.

...

Are you legitimately fucking serious?

Having a sexual preference is sexist now?

I am sexist for preferring a policewoman or a male doctor according to them so i don't see why not.

[Neo Art]

You're an actress.
Do you want to be associated as a man? Because this is the impression I'm getting, since you have so many problems with female words.

Asking for people to use gender-neutral words = wanting to be of the opposite gender? SINCE WHEN?!

When you're 12 years old.

[Central Slavia]

I fail to see how it's any different from someone persuaded they're a member of different species, or what the fuck else.
It's simple. Gender is determined by these little things called chromosomes, specifically one pair of them which can be either XX - female , XY - male, or a number of rare defects (XXY sterile males, X0 and so on and so on) .
While we don't know how to fix a person who is persuaded they are of the wrong gender, and hence, things like sexual reassignment surgery, and simply letting them roll with it are the best we can do, it changes nothing about the fact that two genders are the norm, and anything in between is simply an anomaly. And we use the norm as a rule for classifying things, not anomalies and exceptions.

Sex =/= gender

Again. Repeat that for a century, you'll wear down your tongue but it still won't be true.