Words and Gender: Does Gender Differentiation Matter?

[Seperates]

While societal norms have me instintually saying that it would likely be the male individual, I, on second thought and from a more scientific point of view, must say that I personally do not know, given that it is difficult for me to imagine what the "average" constitution of a man or woman would be on the same diet and training program, since I have never seen such a thing.

I have, both i won't use that as proof as it is just one example with me and a friend. My money is on the male individual though.

Oh really? You conducted studies in a gender neutral enviorment? Fine then, but as I said whatever biological differences there are outside of reproduction they are fairly insignificant outside of how society thinks people should act.

[Rocopurr]

Not all women wear bras, and if a man wants to wear a bra let him.

So, you see, there is no 'right gender' for a bra.

There is a right gender for the need to wear a bra, of course there is.

Why? What makes female the right gender to wear a bra?

[Land of Tob]

We might have drifted off a little from language to fetishes.

I don't like to use tape. I prefer to use rope instead as it does not stick. Cloth for gag and..

..wait why am i discussing this ?

Tape? Oh I don't even want to...

[Individuality-ness]

Actor vs. Actress. Hero vs. Heroine. Steward vs. Stewardess. President vs. female President. Etc.

One of the nuances in the English language is this need to have different words to differentiate between genders doing what is essentially the same thing. For example, a male who acts is called an actor, a female who acts is an actress. A male who does heroic deeds is a hero, a female who does this is a heroine. And the list goes on and on.

My question is whether this is necessary at all. Do we need to have separate terms for male and females?

I personally do not think that we NEED separate words for males and females doing what is the same thing. To me, it's sexist, implying that a female cannot aspire to be an actor, a hero, etc, but instead must settle for a female version of it. Gender should not matter, and it doesn't matter. To me, suggesting that it makes a difference is part of patriarchy.

But what do you think?

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

[Land of Tob]

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

It's not sexist!

sexist
Web definitions
discriminatory on the basis of sex

Discriminatory? ... Think about that.

[Lunalia]

When I am reading a book.... "The actor walked into the room" gives me a different mental image than "the actress walked into the room." Difference meaning that before the author starts describing the actor or actress, I already have the image of which gender the character is fixed into my head.

Gender specific titles/roles are useful for description, as long as they MEAN the same thing, and the only difference between them is gender.

[Individuality-ness]

Hell, half the time I'm here, I'm braless, out of a desire for comfort. So it's irrelevant.

Congrats!

Uh huh.

Hell, half the time I'm here, I'm braless, out of a desire for comfort. So it's irrelevant.

What about a Thong?

Why so interested, hm?

[Central Slavia]

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Because the gender binary is a fact of life.
Also . . . a female can't aspire to be an actor in the same way a male can't aspire to be an actress, and an orange can't aspire to be Golden Delicious. It has nothing to do with equality at all.

[Nailed to the Perch]

1. Depends on how you define "strength." Ability to lift heavy objects? Endurance? Ability to withstand pain?

2. More importantly, depends on the individual man and woman, obviously. A muscular, 250-pound woman can almost certainly lift more weight than a slight, 100-pound man.

3. Why in the shit does this MATTER for 99% of jobs?

1) I already specified lifting weights in this particular case.

Where did you specify that? And why are we prioritizing lifting weights over other forms of strength?

2) That is why i said the training and food should be same and for comparability, let us assume that both were of similar build before their training began.

If they are actually of comparable build - similar proportions, similar musculature, etc. - then odds are very good that they will be able to lift SIMILAR amounts of weight. Duh. Do you think men are magic or something? Muscles and tendons are muscles and tendons. If they are the same size and arranged the same way, they will work the same way. That's the point. You can make generalizations, like "men are more likely to be able to reach the highest shelf than women," but it's patently obvious that a 6' tall man is not more capable of reaching the high shelf than a 6' tall woman. The relevant factor isn't gender there, it's height, and the fact that men are more likely to be tall says nothing about the height of an individual woman.

3) Doesn't mean there is no difference.

...um, yes, yes it does. If a cop never has to lift weights to be a cop, whether or not she is good at lifting weights makes no difference to her ability as a cop.

[Mirage]

Oh really? You conducted studies in a gender neutral enviorment? Fine then, but as I said whatever biological differences there are outside of reproduction they are fairly insignificant outside of how society thinks people should act.

I never said it was an actual study or research. It was more like something between just us two. So in no way conclusive. I do agree that society plays an important part too.

[The Nihilistic view]

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

We don't all have time to waste during the day making sure we are gender neutral like you my feminist unemployed keyboard warrior friend.

[Rocopurr]

When I am reading a book.... "The actor walked into the room" gives me a different mental image than "the actress walked into the room." Difference meaning that before the author starts describing the actor or actress, I already have the image of which gender the character is fixed into my head.

Gender specific titles/roles are useful for description, as long as they MEAN the same thing, and the only difference between them is gender.

Have you ever considered saying... female actor?

[Individuality-ness]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

It's not sexist!

sexist
Web definitions
discriminatory on the basis of sex

Discriminatory? ... Think about that.

It is though. It's saying that you can't compete in the same realm as men, and it's saying that you need a special word to describe yourself for doing what is the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.

[Land of Tob]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

We don't all have time to waste during the day making sure we are gender neutral like you my feminist unemployed keyboard warrior friend.

SMACK!

[Immoren]

There is a right gender for the need to wear a bra, of course there is.

There also is a right gender for the need to wear a trousers/pants, of course there is.

[The Nihilistic view]

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Ok answer me this little question.

Are you attracted more to boy's or girl's?

[Land of Tob]

It's not sexist!

sexist
Web definitions
discriminatory on the basis of sex

Discriminatory? ... Think about that.

It is though. It's saying that you can't compete in the same realm as men, and it's saying that you need a special word to describe yourself for doing what is the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.

We as men can't compete in the same realm as women! I want to be an actress! Oh no but I can't!
What are you talking about? It doesn't matter! What is your problem?

[Individuality-ness]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Because the gender binary is a fact of life.

No it's not. Gender is not binary. Example: see those who ID themselves as androgynous.

Also . . . a female can't aspire to be an actor in the same way a male can't aspire to be an actress, and an orange can't aspire to be Golden Delicious. It has nothing to do with equality at all.

Why not?

[The Nihilistic view]

When I am reading a book.... "The actor walked into the room" gives me a different mental image than "the actress walked into the room." Difference meaning that before the author starts describing the actor or actress, I already have the image of which gender the character is fixed into my head.

Gender specific titles/roles are useful for description, as long as they MEAN the same thing, and the only difference between them is gender.

Have you ever considered saying... female actor?

Actress? Yes i have.

[Land of Tob]

Also . . . a female can't aspire to be an actor in the same way a male can't aspire to be an actress, and an orange can't aspire to be Golden Delicious. It has nothing to do with equality at all.

Why not?

Okay, this is getting out of control. Either you have gone mad or you are a troll.

[Neo Art]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Ok answer me this little question.

Are you attracted more to boy's or girl's?

boy's or girl's what?

And what boy and girl?

[Land of Tob]

Ok answer me this little question.

Are you attracted more to boy's or girl's?

boy's or girl's what?

And what boy and girl?

He probably accidentally used the apostrophe.

[Nailed to the Perch]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Ok answer me this little question.

Are you attracted more to boy's or girl's?

Once again, if your desire to fuck people is relevant to their JOB TITLE - you know, the thing we're discussing here in this thread? - and they are not a sex worker, something is very, very wrong.

[Seperates]

Oh really? You conducted studies in a gender neutral enviorment? Fine then, but as I said whatever biological differences there are outside of reproduction they are fairly insignificant outside of how society thinks people should act.

I never said it was an actual study or research. It was more like something between just us two. So in no way conclusive. I do agree that society plays an important part too.

I argue it plays a fairly important role in establishing how we act, which can enforce how we view gender and therefore how we view ourselves and others, which affects everything. It's almost more important than the actual biology, because the biological functionality of the sexual organs and devlopment of the 'gender' does not kick in until after years of socialization.

[Individuality-ness]

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

We don't all have time to waste during the day making sure we are gender neutral like you my feminist unemployed keyboard warrior friend.

And two minutes is too much time for you? Oh, woe is me, I can't even spare a minute on Google!

And why does saving two minutes matter so much when its existence reinforces a gender binary and is sexist?

Ok answer me this little question.

Are you attracted more to boy's or girl's?

... how is this in any way relevant?

It is though. It's saying that you can't compete in the same realm as men, and it's saying that you need a special word to describe yourself for doing what is the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.

We as men can't compete in the same realm as women! I want to be an actress! Oh no but I can't!
What are you talking about? It doesn't matter! What is your problem?

If you want to call yourself an actress, that's fine with me. *shrug*