Words and Gender: Does Gender Differentiation Matter?

[Land of Tob]

But it's kind of socially unacceptable for a man to wear a bra. Let us wear bras damnit! EQUALITY.

What about same restrooms ?

There 'ya go! Let's also use tampons just for funzys.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Sure. It relates as a societal and psychological construst. Get rid of the biases and pre-suppusitions and we'd probably find that gender and race really don't affect anything in any meaningful statistical difference.

Biological too. And yes it does.

Take a man and a woman. Give them the same training, food etc. No steroids or anything. Tell me which one would be naturally stronger ?

1. Depends on how you define "strength." Ability to lift heavy objects? Endurance? Ability to withstand pain?

2. More importantly, depends on the individual man and woman, obviously. A muscular, 250-pound woman can almost certainly lift more weight than a slight, 100-pound man.

3. Why in the shit does this MATTER for 99% of jobs?

[The Nihilistic view]

And you are?

I am, as a matter of fact, fucking hilarious. I'm also far more clever than someone who thinks "I know you are but what am I?" is witty.

But not as clever as somebody that does not resort to piss taking it seems. I have come across used socks more entertaining than your puerile attempts at humor.

[Neo Art]

What about same restrooms ?

There 'ya go! Let's also use tampons just for funzys.

Jesus christ you are awful at this.

is this what the summer is going to be like? Really? Is this what we're in for for the next three months? 14 year old children screaming "BUT WHAT IF I WANT TO WEAR A BRA???"

Is this the kind of forum that the powers that be really want this to be? This is the kind of discource we're encouraging? Because if so, maybe it would be best if everyone actually interested in having conversations like adults found somewhere else to be.

Jesus fucking christ, this is pathetic.

[Land of Tob]

I am, as a matter of fact, fucking hilarious. I'm also far more clever than someone who thinks "I know you are but what am I?" is witty.

But not as clever as somebody that does not resort to piss taking it seems. I have come across used socks more entertaining than your puerile attempts at humor.

SMACK!

[United Paradisia]

Actor vs. Actress. Hero vs. Heroine. Steward vs. Stewardess. President vs. female President. Etc.

One of the nuances in the English language is this need to have different words to differentiate between genders doing what is essentially the same thing. For example, a male who acts is called an actor, a female who acts is an actress. A male who does heroic deeds is a hero, a female who does this is a heroine. And the list goes on and on.

My question is whether this is necessary at all. Do we need to have separate terms for male and females?

I personally do not think that we NEED separate words for males and females doing what is the same thing. To me, it's sexist, implying that a female cannot aspire to be an actor, a hero, etc, but instead must settle for a female version of it. Gender should not matter, and it doesn't matter. To me, suggesting that it makes a difference is part of patriarchy.

But what do you think?

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

[Land of Tob]

Why don't we just wear it, too? Equality!

Jesus christ you are awful at this.

is this what the summer is going to be like? Really? Is this what we're in for for the next three months? 14 year old children screaming "BUT WHAT IF I WANT TO WEAR A BRA???"

Is this the kind of forum that the powers that be really want this to be? This is the kind of discource we're encouraging?

Jesus fucking christ, this is pathetic.

Welcome to 2013.
Have a nice stay.

[Immoren]

So after a long and tiresome debate we have come to the conclusion that Gender Differentiation does matter. For those unconvinced by the arguments thus far presented i give you the humble bra.

(Image)

I wonder why it is important to give a bra to the right gender?

Now this is hitting something really stupid.

[Land of Tob]

Actor vs. Actress. Hero vs. Heroine. Steward vs. Stewardess. President vs. female President. Etc.

One of the nuances in the English language is this need to have different words to differentiate between genders doing what is essentially the same thing. For example, a male who acts is called an actor, a female who acts is an actress. A male who does heroic deeds is a hero, a female who does this is a heroine. And the list goes on and on.

My question is whether this is necessary at all. Do we need to have separate terms for male and females?

I personally do not think that we NEED separate words for males and females doing what is the same thing. To me, it's sexist, implying that a female cannot aspire to be an actor, a hero, etc, but instead must settle for a female version of it. Gender should not matter, and it doesn't matter. To me, suggesting that it makes a difference is part of patriarchy.

But what do you think?

No it makes it easier for people for example :
Alex Smith-Actor
Is it a he or she?
Then I have to waste 2 minutes searching 'Alex Smith' on google.

PERFECT EXAMPLE.
Efficiency.

[The Nihilistic view]

Evidently. Or he is trying to troll/flame.

Where's the "report" button on this site?

IMO Accusation of trolling and flaming, instead of just reporting, is in itself a form of flaming.

Emphasis on the word Trying. It is not an accusation, That would be "he is a".....

[Mirage]

Biological too. And yes it does.

Take a man and a woman. Give them the same training, food etc. No steroids or anything. Tell me which one would be naturally stronger ?

1. Depends on how you define "strength." Ability to lift heavy objects? Endurance? Ability to withstand pain?

2. More importantly, depends on the individual man and woman, obviously. A muscular, 250-pound woman can almost certainly lift more weight than a slight, 100-pound man.

3. Why in the shit does this MATTER for 99% of jobs?

1) I already specified lifting weights in this particular case.
2) That is why i said the training and food should be same and for comparability, let us assume that both were of similar build before their training began.
3) Doesn't mean there is no difference.

[Esternial]

So after a long and tiresome debate we have come to the conclusion that Gender Differentiation does matter. For those unconvinced by the arguments thus far presented i give you the humble bra.

(Image)

I wonder why it is important to give a bra to the right gender?

Not all women wear bras, and if a man wants to wear a bra let him.

So, you see, there is no 'right gender' for a bra.

Seems illogical to wear one if you have no need for it, though.

[Seperates]

The biological 'genders' are much more similar than society would have you believe.

Define 'stronger'? Is it endurance? Maxing? What are they training for?

In this particular case, let us just say, "who can lift more weight".

While societal norms have me instintually saying that it would likely be the male individual, I, on second thought and from a more scientific point of view, must say that I personally do not know, given that it is difficult for me to imagine what the "average" constitution of a man or woman would be on the same diet and training program, since I have never seen such a thing.

In such a case I would hypothesize that it would be fairly even.

[The Nihilistic view]

But it's kind of socially unacceptable for a man to wear a bra. Let us wear bras damnit! EQUALITY.

People won't exactly know you're wearing a bra unless you're not wearing a shirt.

Or if you have moob's.

[Rocopurr]

Not all women wear bras, and if a man wants to wear a bra let him.

So, you see, there is no 'right gender' for a bra.

Seems illogical to wear one if you have no need for it, though.

True, but it could be for fetish reasons.

[Immoren]

Not all women wear bras, and if a man wants to wear a bra let him.

So, you see, there is no 'right gender' for a bra.

Seems illogical to wear one if you have no need for it, though.

I just like wearing the lingerie

[Central Slavia]

Actor vs. Actress. Hero vs. Heroine. Steward vs. Stewardess. President vs. female President. Etc.

One of the nuances in the English language is this need to have different words to differentiate between genders doing what is essentially the same thing. For example, a male who acts is called an actor, a female who acts is an actress. A male who does heroic deeds is a hero, a female who does this is a heroine. And the list goes on and on.

My question is whether this is necessary at all. Do we need to have separate terms for male and females?

I personally do not think that we NEED separate words for males and females doing what is the same thing. To me, it's sexist, implying that a female cannot aspire to be an actor, a hero, etc, but instead must settle for a female version of it. Gender should not matter, and it doesn't matter. To me, suggesting that it makes a difference is part of patriarchy.

But what do you think?

We do - it's an artefact of english language that lacks implicit gender in the shape of words the way, say, slavic or romance languages have it - english just applies it to only a number of words, rather than everything.

[Land of Tob]

We might have drifted off a little from language to fetishes.

[Mirage]

In this particular case, let us just say, "who can lift more weight".

While societal norms have me instintually saying that it would likely be the male individual, I, on second thought and from a more scientific point of view, must say that I personally do not know, given that it is difficult for me to imagine what the "average" constitution of a man or woman would be on the same diet and training program, since I have never seen such a thing.

I have, but i won't use that as proof as it is just one example with me and a friend. My money is on the male individual though.

[Individuality-ness]

So after a long and tiresome debate we have come to the conclusion that Gender Differentiation does matter. For those unconvinced by the arguments thus far presented i give you the humble bra.

(Image)

I wonder why it is important to give a bra to the right gender?

are you under this strange impression that all women wear bras? I'm not entirely sure your social circle has hit puberty yet.

Which, frankly, would explain a lot.

Hell, half the time I'm here, I'm braless, out of a desire for comfort. So it's irrelevant.

[Xanixi]

Female president?!

I'm offended! It's Madam President, like in 24!

No, but seriously, I really don't care. I actually prefer to use mono-gendered words unless I specifically can't.

[The Nihilistic view]

So after a long and tiresome debate we have come to the conclusion that Gender Differentiation does matter. For those unconvinced by the arguments thus far presented i give you the humble bra.

(Image)

I wonder why it is important to give a bra to the right gender?

Not all women wear bras, and if a man wants to wear a bra let him.

So, you see, there is no 'right gender' for a bra.

There is a right gender for the need to wear a bra, of course there is.

[Land of Tob]

are you under this strange impression that all women wear bras? I'm not entirely sure your social circle has hit puberty yet.

Which, frankly, would explain a lot.

Hell, half the time I'm here, I'm braless, out of a desire for comfort. So it's irrelevant.

Congrats!

[Mirage]

We might have drifted off a little from language to fetishes.

I don't like to use tape. I prefer to use rope instead as it does not stick. Cloth for gag and..

..wait why am i discussing this ?

[The Nihilistic view]

are you under this strange impression that all women wear bras? I'm not entirely sure your social circle has hit puberty yet.

Which, frankly, would explain a lot.

Hell, half the time I'm here, I'm braless, out of a desire for comfort. So it's irrelevant.

What about a Thong?