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Is there a gay gene?

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No
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Postby SaintB » Thu May 16, 2013 12:18 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:


I can clear this up quickly.

"I am God.

Gays are ok. Stop persecuting them or I will smite you in cruel and ironic ways."

There we go, simple enough. Anyone claiming a "christian" basis seems just as easily duped the same flimsy evidence anyway.

Flash Gordon doesn't discriminate against gays or anyone else, and he will save every one of us. That makes him a far superior god.
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Postby Orham » Thu May 16, 2013 12:20 pm

This Might Be A Nation wrote:Homosexually learn/choose to be the way they are. If one were to claim that they "cannot help it," I would say their spirit is possessed by the Devil, altering their state of mind. In other words, it's probably a mental illness.


You honestly believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder (it isn't) and that the devil causes mental disorders (it doesn't)?
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Postby Neo Art » Thu May 16, 2013 12:21 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:This is totally a coincidence and does not mean I am currently observing you from a discreet place.

Well this is awkward. I figured it was paparazzi taking pictures of my daily life for an article on 'Successful Gays" in the Detroit Free Press.


Oh please, like there's anybody successful in Detroit.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu May 16, 2013 12:22 pm

SaintB wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:
I can clear this up quickly.

"I am God.

Gays are ok. Stop persecuting them or I will smite you in cruel and ironic ways."

There we go, simple enough. Anyone claiming a "christian" basis seems just as easily duped the same flimsy evidence anyway.

Flash Gordon doesn't discriminate against gays or anyone else, and he will save every one of us. That makes him a far superior god.
Are you saying because I discriminate against Philadelphia sports fans and Battletech Clan enthusiasts I am a lesser god?

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Postby Jormengand » Thu May 16, 2013 12:25 pm

This Might Be A Nation wrote:The only way I know how to look at this issue is by a Christian point-of-view. The Bible and Book of Mormon (both of which I know are true) both state homosexuality is an intolerable abomination in the eyes of our Lord God. Since we have all been given agency (the ability to choose between right or wrong), I honestly do not think God would make it so an individual had no choice but to sin and love someone of their own sex just because of their genes. Homosexually learn/choose to be the way they are. If one were to claim that they "cannot help it," I would say their spirit is possessed by the Devil, altering their state of mind. In other words, it's probably a mental illness.

To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
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As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.
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Postby Esternial » Thu May 16, 2013 12:31 pm

Jormengand wrote:
This Might Be A Nation wrote:The only way I know how to look at this issue is by a Christian point-of-view. The Bible and Book of Mormon (both of which I know are true) both state homosexuality is an intolerable abomination in the eyes of our Lord God. Since we have all been given agency (the ability to choose between right or wrong), I honestly do not think God would make it so an individual had no choice but to sin and love someone of their own sex just because of their genes. Homosexually learn/choose to be the way they are. If one were to claim that they "cannot help it," I would say their spirit is possessed by the Devil, altering their state of mind. In other words, it's probably a mental illness.

To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

Jesus Christ I nearly had a heart attack following that link.

Note to self: Keep down the volume when using headphones.

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Postby Jormengand » Thu May 16, 2013 12:34 pm

Esternial wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

Jesus Christ I nearly had a heart attack following that link.

Note to self: Keep down the volume when using headphones.

Eh? It has no sound, though...
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Postby SaintB » Thu May 16, 2013 10:22 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:
SaintB wrote:Flash Gordon doesn't discriminate against gays or anyone else, and he will save every one of us. That makes him a far superior god.
Are you saying because I discriminate against Philadelphia sports fans and Battletech Clan enthusiasts I am a lesser god?

I issue a batchall for a Trial of Grievance and bid my "Bitchslap" Orion variant. What say you whelp?

Actually I was referring to the God of Abraham. And Flash accepts; after defeating Ming the Merciless he doesn't even need a 'mech! He bids two elementals and a spoon.
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Postby Cosara » Thu May 16, 2013 11:04 pm

Jormengand wrote:
This Might Be A Nation wrote:The only way I know how to look at this issue is by a Christian point-of-view. The Bible and Book of Mormon (both of which I know are true) both state homosexuality is an intolerable abomination in the eyes of our Lord God. Since we have all been given agency (the ability to choose between right or wrong), I honestly do not think God would make it so an individual had no choice but to sin and love someone of their own sex just because of their genes. Homosexually learn/choose to be the way they are. If one were to claim that they "cannot help it," I would say their spirit is possessed by the Devil, altering their state of mind. In other words, it's probably a mental illness.

To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!
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Postby Meryuma » Thu May 16, 2013 11:23 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:They linked to wikipedia so that you could have an explanation as to what it is. Some people may have never heard of it. There's a website to take the Kinsey Scale test. http://vistriai.com/kinseyscaletest/

Personally? I think it's a garbage test.


Oh yeah that's horrible. It claims I'm a six when I'm a five at the highest.


It calls me an F when I'm pretty sure I'm a 5.

This Might Be A Nation wrote:The only way I know how to look at this issue is by a Christian point-of-view. The Bible and Book of Mormon (both of which I know are true) both state homosexuality is an intolerable abomination in the eyes of our Lord God. Since we have all been given agency (the ability to choose between right or wrong), I honestly do not think God would make it so an individual had no choice but to sin and love someone of their own sex just because of their genes. Homosexually learn/choose to be the way they are. If one were to claim that they "cannot help it," I would say their spirit is possessed by the Devil, altering their state of mind. In other words, it's probably a mental illness.


How can something be both a choice and a mental illness? You'll have to start calling schizophrenia a choice just to be internally consistent.

You're an insult to TMBG and I am ashamed.

Cosara wrote:"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!


I was personally rather surprised to find out that I liked boys myself. I grew up expecting to be straight and then when I was 12 I started having crushes on guys when I entered puberty and it took me a month or two to realize what it was.
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Postby Ovisterra » Thu May 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Cosara wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!


You can, of course, source this, can you not?
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Postby Flagsia » Thu May 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Hahahahaha.... :rofl: NO !!
They are just so messed up in the head that they cannot think straight .
They are so stupid .

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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Thu May 16, 2013 11:37 pm

Cosara wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!

When did you choose to be hetero?
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Postby Urmanian » Thu May 16, 2013 11:46 pm

Flagsia wrote:Hahahahaha.... :rofl: NO !!
They are just so messed up in the head that they cannot think straight .
They are so stupid .

actually in conservative la-la land where sexuality is a matter of choice, picking both homosexuality or heterosexuality would be stupid. obviously all people with the smallest semblance of a brain would pick bisexuality or pansexuality to not miss out on all the fun
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Postby NERVUN » Fri May 17, 2013 12:07 am

Flagsia wrote:Hahahahaha.... :rofl: NO !!
They are just so messed up in the head that they cannot think straight .
They are so stupid .

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri May 17, 2013 12:09 am

Cosara wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!


That certainly appears to be your opinion, and you're totally allowed to have it.

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Postby Meryuma » Fri May 17, 2013 12:50 am

Flagsia wrote:Hahahahaha.... :rofl: NO !!
They are just so messed up in the head that they cannot think straight .
They are so stupid .


Stupid, eh?
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Potarius wrote:
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In layman's terms, orgy time.


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Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri May 17, 2013 1:11 am

Cosara wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
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As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!

Very well. Choose it.

Come on, prove your point. Reach inside that little head of yours and flip the "gay" switch.

And if you can't, or won't, then perhaps you should consider that it is unreasonable to ask of others what you'll not do.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri May 17, 2013 3:36 am

Cosara wrote:
Jormengand wrote:To your eternal cosmic credit, your post title is correct, as is your nation name. However:
Old Testament: does not mention homosexuality.
Image


As for "mental illness," the American Medical, Psychiatric and Psychoanalitical Associations, The United Kingdom National health service and several others would like very loud words with you.

"...it's not something you chose..."

BULLSHIT!!
Uh huh. And you can verify that... how exactly? Do you secretly switch over to gay mode when your family or NSG isn't looking and just fail to report it? Are you under the impression that a divine being told you the exact nature of human sexual orientation?

And even if one of the above or anything else is the case... how exactly does somebody's sexual orientation hurt you. Directly I mean?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri May 17, 2013 4:11 am

Meryuma wrote:I was personally rather surprised to find out that I liked boys myself. I grew up expecting to be straight and then when I was 12 I started having crushes on guys when I entered puberty and it took me a month or two to realize what it was.


Same here, though I remember hoping not to gay, since I thought of it as something you absolutely don't want to be ever since I first heard about it (a moment which I can, interestingly, remember).

To sum up in a sentence how I felt: I didn't want to be gay, I wanted to be "normal".
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri May 17, 2013 5:12 am

Nope, I wasn't anyway I realized I liked guy's... 2 years back?
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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Fri May 17, 2013 5:22 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:Nope, I wasn't anyway I realized I liked guy's... 2 years back?

"You just realized* two years ago" =/= "you weren't born that way"
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Postby Starkiller101 » Fri May 17, 2013 6:49 am

Hell no its there choice Not a gene if there was gene we would know about it.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri May 17, 2013 6:51 am

Starkiller101 wrote:Hell no its there choice Not a gene if there was gene we would know about it.


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri May 17, 2013 6:51 am

Starkiller101 wrote:Hell no its there choice Not a gene if there was gene we would know about it.

When did we figure out what every single gene does? I must have missed that. We've mapped the human genome but do we understand it? I think not.
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