Are homosexuals really born that way?

[Neo Art]

Indeed, Eratosthenes of Cyrene not only proved the Earth was round but calculated the circumference of the Earth using basic mathematics... and was accurate to within 2% of the precision satellite measurements we take now.

Yeah, its pretty much commonly accepted fact that people who knew anything about anything even as far back as ancient Greece knew the world was round.

"the earth was flat" has been held out as a viewpoint of the middle age peasantry. Somehow it got twisted and conflated into "until recently, everybody knew the earth was flat" instead of what it's supposed to be. That the feudal peasants were extremely uneducated and lacked even basic knowledge of the world. It wasn't meant to show how ignorant the populace was compared to know. It was meant to show how ignorant the peasantry was, compared to everyone else THEN.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

More like "the point is not what research they did to come into the conclusion of earth being flat".

I can't actually understand that sentence.

And how did they test it out ? what experiment did they do to rule out choice ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an ... al_studies

There's a start.

[Oneracon]

Indeed, Eratosthenes of Cyrene not only proved the Earth was round but calculated the circumference of the Earth using basic mathematics... and was accurate to within 2% of the precision satellite measurements we take now.

Yeah, its pretty much commonly accepted fact that people who knew anything about anything even as far back as ancient Greece knew the world was round.

I learned about him in one of my first-year geography courses (Physical Geography of the Earth, I think) and I was completely amazed at his results.

Geography basically wouldn't exist without him.

[Mavorpen]

Yours is indeed amusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

I didn't say when, now did i ?

Yes. You. Did. You blatantly fucking said that the scientific consensus stated that the earth was flat. Science didn't appear until AFTER ancient greeks. Stop backpedaling.

[Choronzon]

Your ignorance is certainly amusing.

He's absolutely right. I can find you a medieval tapestry showing the earth as a ball. This is stuff that anyone in a mountainous area, or near the coast, would pick up on very quickly.

Transparent dodges and backpedaling are not the mark of cleverness and impress no one.

[Neo Art]

Yours is indeed amusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

I didn't say when or who, now did i ?

Yup. Summertime.

[Harrystan]

They don't chooses

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Yours is indeed amusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

I didn't say when or who, now did i ?

As others have stated, science as a discipline came into being in Ancient Greece. Scientific consensus since then has seemingly always been that the Earth is spherical.

So whatever epoch you're choosing, you're either choosing one after the emergence of science, in which case you're demonstrably wrong, or you're choosing one before science as a discipline existed, in which case your example is meaningless.

So when or where are you thinking of?

[Mirage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an ... al_studies

There's a start.

"Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics."

How does it rule out choice again ?

Yes. You. Did. You blatantly fucking said that the scientific consensus stated that the earth was flat. Science didn't appear until AFTER ancient greeks. Stop backpedaling.

Maybe not the term, but if anyone has read my posts, they should know about me and technicality.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Yes. You. Did. You blatantly fucking said that the scientific consensus stated that the earth was flat. Science didn't appear until AFTER ancient greeks. Stop backpedaling.

Maybe not the term, but if anyone has read my posts, they should know about me and technicality.

I don't know why you pride yourself on being both pedantic and wrong at the same time.

[Mavorpen]

Maybe not the term, but if anyone has read my posts, they should know about me and technicality.

That's nice. However NEITHER the term nor science as a method was created until after ancient Greece.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an ... al_studies

There's a start.

"Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics."

How does it rule out choice again ?

You're aware that many other methods and studies of different types are listed there, right? And that one method having flaws doesn't equate to them all having flaws, right?

[Choronzon]

Maybe not the term, but if anyone has read my posts, they should know about me and technicality.

"People should know by now that I'm intellectually dishonest and put no thought into my word choice what so ever. Sometimes I use words with very specific meanings and connotations even when I mean something completely different."

I mean, in Mirage's defense, that is more or less exactly what he does.

[Mirage]

You're aware that many other methods and studies of different types are listed there, right? And that one method having flaws doesn't equate to them all having flaws, right?

That doesn't answer my question as to what "they" did to come to the conclusion that choice cannot be a factor.

[Mavorpen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an ... al_studies

There's a start.

"Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics."

How does it rule out choice again ?

I know it's dark under that bridge, but scroll down. The article is more than a paragraph.

[Mavorpen]

You're aware that many other methods and studies of different types are listed there, right? And that one method having flaws doesn't equate to them all having flaws, right?

That doesn't answer my question as to what "they" did to come to the conclusion that choice cannot be a factor.

Yes it does. In every single study performed, choice was not a factor. If you can find one on that link that lists choice as a factor, be my guest.

[Mirage]

"Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics."

How does it rule out choice again ?

I know it's dark under that bridge, but scroll down. The article is more than a paragraph.

I skim through things remember ? Tell me what part you would prefer i "read".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You're aware that many other methods and studies of different types are listed there, right? And that one method having flaws doesn't equate to them all having flaws, right?

That doesn't answer my question as to what "they" did to come to the conclusion that choice cannot be a factor.

So I link you to an article about what empirical studies have been done in the area of sexuality, and you then ask me what studies and methodologies have been done and carried out in the area of sexuality in order to eliminate choice as a factor.

Sweet Jesus.

[Mirage]

That doesn't answer my question as to what "they" did to come to the conclusion that choice cannot be a factor.

Yes it does. In every single study performed, choice was not a factor. If you can find one on that link that lists choice as a factor, be my guest.

Just because you say that doesn't make it true. Cite the source. And not those three , but something that actually have evidence supporting your claim.

[Neo Art]

Maybe not the term, but if anyone has read my posts, they should know about me and technicality.

"People should know by now that I'm intellectually dishonest and put no thought into my word choice what so ever. Sometimes I use words with very specific meanings and connotations even when I mean something completely different."

I mean, in Mirage's defense, that is more or less exactly what he does.

In fairness, he's got, what, 200 posts, and has been here 2 weeks? Having an opinion on his posting style would apply a familiarity that I certainly haven't developed yet. I don't "know about him and technicality" because I haven't a single fucking clue who he is.

[Baiynistan]

I'm amazed by how split the poll is. Anyway, I'm really not educated enough on the subject of sexual development to comment on whether or not people are born with particular or rigid sexual preferences. I can say however, that, for the overwhelming majority of non-heterosexual people, I find it highly unlikely that they "chose" to feel the way they do. The notion that anyone (apart from an extreme masochist perhaps) would voluntarily choose to be part of a persecuted/culturally non-conformist minority is ludicrous.

I get the impression that sexual impulse is about as much of a choice as being left-handed or right-handed. With immense willpower, mental-training and tenacity, you might be able to switch from one to the other, but who the fuck wants to set up such unrealistic hoops for themselves to jump through unless they have an angry nun caning them every time they try to do what comes naturally to them.

[Mavorpen]

I know it's dark under that bridge, but scroll down. The article is more than a paragraph.

I skim through things remember ? Tell me what part you would prefer i "read".

Stop lying. You don't skim. You read the VERY FIRST paragraph or two, then conclude you know every single thing about a source.

[EnragedMaldivians]

That doesn't answer my question as to what "they" did to come to the conclusion that choice cannot be a factor.

Yes it does. In every single study performed, choice was not a factor. If you can find one on that link that lists choice as a factor, be my guest.

He doesn't read. He skims; remember?

[Anachronous Rex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_an ... al_studies

There's a start.

"Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics."

How does it rule out choice again ?

Someone's never heard of epigenetics.

[Choronzon]

I know it's dark under that bridge, but scroll down. The article is more than a paragraph.

I skim through things remember ? Tell me what part you would prefer i "read".

So, because you are lazy we should spoon feed you information?