Obama Impeachment

[The Emerald Dawn]

You want to be more depressed? So far the people with the best knowledge of the US impeachment process are non-US citizens, or immigrants.

Typically, people who aren't in a system know more about it if they're trying to figure it out (more arduous study). And of course, many immigrants to the US learn it for the day they'll either become citizens or to integrate, not realizing the Americans they're talking to don't know what they're talking about anyway

And that fact scared me, when I first learned it. I mean, I was serving in the military with a bunch of people, and there I sat, the foreigner, giving lessons to the citizens about their governmental system.

[Densaner]

Impeach him all you want. Even with a GOP majority in the Senate you still won't get a conviction. Is this all the GOP has to offer the American people?

[Neo Art]

This thread was hilarious for a while, then it just got depressing. I don't expect every American to be fully aware of the causes and mechanics for impeachment, but I would like it if they were aware of such matters before stating an opinion as to whether or not a President can be impeached.

Here's what a President can be impeached for: High crimes and misdemeanors, treason, or bribery.

Here's what a President cannot be impeached for: Signing legislation you don't like, using any power given to him by Congress (unless the Supreme Court has stated that such powers are unconstitutional), suggesting legislation you don't like, being someone you don't like, being a color you don't like, thinking something that you don't like, or because you think that someday maybe he or she will do something worthy of impeachment.

Every single reason that I've seen listed for impeaching the President has fallen into the second category. None have fallen into the first.

You want to be more depressed? So far the people with the best knowledge of the US impeachment process are non-US citizens, or immigrants.

Excuse me?

[The Emerald Dawn]

You want to be more depressed? So far the people with the best knowledge of the US impeachment process are non-US citizens, or immigrants.

Excuse me?

You heard me, Batman. Gotham City isn't in this universe.

[Neo Art]

Excuse me?

You heard me, Batman. Gotham City isn't in this universe.

. . .

I'll allow it. But watch yourself McCoy.

[Death Metal]

Typically, people who aren't in a system know more about it if they're trying to figure it out (more arduous study). And of course, many immigrants to the US learn it for the day they'll either become citizens or to integrate, not realizing the Americans they're talking to don't know what they're talking about anyway

And that fact scared me, when I first learned it. I mean, I was serving in the military with a bunch of people, and there I sat, the foreigner, giving lessons to the citizens about their governmental system.

That's because civics is only taught in advanced placement classes.

[ALMF]

1)you knead 67 votes not 60.
2)He is the LEAST impeachment worthy president in my lifetime. (not that that's a high standard since 1980)

George H. Bush (1989-1993) wasn't great, but he didn't do anything worthy of impeachment to my recollection.

It doesn't specify crimes committed while president: Iran contra (VP) and the framing. of Ruben Carter (CIA director).

[Death Metal]

George H. Bush (1989-1993) wasn't great, but he didn't do anything worthy of impeachment to my recollection.

It doesn't specify crimes committed while president: Iran contra (VP) and the framing. of Ruben Carter (CIA director).

Didn't Ollie pretty much exonerate Reagan and Bush though?

[Ethel mermania]

Excuse me?

You heard me, Batman. Gotham City isn't in this universe.

then where the fuck do i work? shit all these years a lie?

[ALMF]

It doesn't specify crimes committed while president: Iran contra (VP) and the framing. of Ruben Carter (CIA director).

Didn't Ollie pretty much exonerate Reagan and Bush though?

[Choronzon]

And that fact scared me, when I first learned it. I mean, I was serving in the military with a bunch of people, and there I sat, the foreigner, giving lessons to the citizens about their governmental system.

That's because civics is only taught in advanced placement classes.

No? In Illinois, at least, you're required to pass a test on the US Constitution while in school. Its usually given in middle school or early high school.

Whether people retain that information or not is another matter entirely.

[Byzantium Imperial]

That's because civics is only taught in advanced placement classes.

No?

It would have been more accurate to say its taught but the kids dont give a crap

[The Marxist State]

You want to be more depressed? So far the people with the best knowledge of the US impeachment process are non-US citizens, or immigrants.

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[Nadkor]

At the Philadelphia Convention, Benjamin Franklin noted that, historically, the removal of “obnoxious” chief executives had been accomplished by assassination. Franklin suggested that a proceduralized mechanism for removal — impeachment — would be preferable.

Right enough, impeachment didn't exist before that at all.

[Mike the Progressive]

No there is no proof that he broke a law, and beside the Dems control the Senate so it won't happen

What does the Senate have to do with impeachment?

Because many believe impeachment means removal.

[Nadkor]

What does the Senate have to do with impeachment?

Because many believe impeachment means removal.

I'm not really sure why you would think I would find that important, or even relevant, at all.

[Mike the Progressive]

Because many believe impeachment means removal.

I'm not really sure why you would think I would find that important, or even relevant, at all.

You asked a question, I gave an answer. Not sure if I really care how important or relevant you think it is...

[Nadkor]

I'm not really sure why you would think I would find that important, or even relevant, at all.

You asked a question, I gave an answer. Not sure if I really care how important or relevant you think it is...

The only correct answer to the question is "nothing".

Anything else is either wrong or irrelevant. Which would you prefer your answer was?

[Miss Defied]

What does the Senate have to do with impeachment?

Because many believe impeachment means removal.

So, nothing then, right?

Because despite that what you are saying appears true, it doesn't change the fact that it means that the "many" are post things that are completely and utterly stupid. Better to educate them than change the meaning of things to fit their misguided beliefs, no?

Edit: addressing what people say and not their persons

[Gauthier]

I don't think he's right-winged, either.

He could be...anyway back on topic

Obama should not be impeached because he has not done anything that has brought harm or danger to the country and has not done any high crimes at the moment.

So until he becomes this guy

I don't think we are have to start the impeachment process

Heh. Obama Commander.

[Mike the Progressive]

You asked a question, I gave an answer. Not sure if I really care how important or relevant you think it is...

The only correct answer to the question is "nothing".

Anything else is either wrong or irrelevant. Which would you prefer your answer was?

And where is the harm in pointing out how many believe impeachment is synonymous with removal from office?

[Pope Joan]

Since impeachment is mostly a sign of an out-of-control irresponsible legislature, sure, it could happen.

Would it be right or proper?

I hope the Koch brothers' brain dead clones suffer long and hard before going to hell.

[Miss Defied]

The only correct answer to the question is "nothing".

Anything else is either wrong or irrelevant. Which would you prefer your answer was?

And where is the harm in pointing out how many believe impeachment is synonymous with removal from office?

I think that the impression was that one could think you were excusing others' faulty beliefs rather than correcting them, that's all.
It's quite apparent though that many posters don't know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes to the impeachment process, but it doesn't stop them from having very strong opinions about it in relation to Obama. It seems that no amount of trying to explain it will help though, so whatever.

[Nadkor]

The only correct answer to the question is "nothing".

Anything else is either wrong or irrelevant. Which would you prefer your answer was?

And where is the harm in pointing out how many believe impeachment is synonymous with removal from office?

Well,
a) It's not, in any way, an answer to the question you replied to, and
b) Anyone who took 5 minutes to skim this thread would have known that many people are wrong.

Wrong or irrelevant. Your choice.

Which?

[Rocketvill]

Breaking news a petition on the White House website has surfaced
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... n/Pww1vL5L
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... g/FdnJFsKD