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Should Obama be impeached?

Poll ended at Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:04 pm

Yes
218
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No
501
64%
Undecided
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Total votes : 778

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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue May 14, 2013 11:20 am

Sibirsky wrote:Personal attacks are against. I suggest you familiarize yourself with them.

That's not a personal attack. That's attacking your ethos, which is a legitimate debate tactic.
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Postby Immoren » Tue May 14, 2013 11:20 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Immoren wrote:Are going on and on with impeachment demands, 'till Obama's presidency is over?


Hopefully.


Choronzon wrote:
Immoren wrote:Are going on and on with impeachment demands, 'till Obama's presidency is over?

Of course, how can they fulfill their constitutional obligation to govern when a black man continues to sit in the White House?


'Tis getting stale.
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Postby Neo Art » Tue May 14, 2013 11:21 am

Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Come on everybody, the Republicans have a strong case. Obama has clearly committed a misdemeanor by violating the Being a Democratic President Act of 1980.


not to mention the list that everyone on here made, all those apply too. *nods*


Your signature interests me. Apparently within the space of approximately three weeks and 40 posts, you have apparently been called a nazi with such frequency that you feel it necessary to put a pre-emptive warning there.

You're going to be an entertaining one, aren't you?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 14, 2013 11:21 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Orcoa wrote:From the way he posts and what he says...I think I can get a good clear idea of what he thinks.


You certainly can, which is why I said he is most likely an atheist and hardly right-winged. Sarcasm is sarcasm and judging somebody by their name or a few posts in one thread is about as annoying as somebody presuming you're a "progressive" because that word happens to be in your NS name.


i always judged you as a ghost president speaking to us from the other side.
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Postby Nadkor » Tue May 14, 2013 11:21 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
I'd rather let SCOTUS, the actual people whose job it is to say so, be the judge of that. You not liking what he does =/= what he does being unconstitutional.


Presuming unconstitutional actions are a high crime, and the president is committing such crimes frequently, then what would SCOTUS have anything to do with whether the president should be charged (impeached) and convicted (removed), except the CJ's ceremonial role during such cases in the senate?


Ehh...eh?

Where did I say they anything like that?
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Postby Imperium of the Gliusor Species » Tue May 14, 2013 11:21 am

Plan of the republicans to do stupid shit.
No. He hasn't done anything illegal.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue May 14, 2013 11:22 am

Sibirsky wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Ok Captain Silver Medal, it should be easy for you to name at least 20 then.

Personal attacks are against. I suggest you familiarize yourself with them.

As for Obama, try the claims of legal authority to indefinitely detain and murder American citizens, without due process of law.


Mods as a weapon are against the rules too.

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Postby Antic Master Fegelein » Tue May 14, 2013 11:23 am

Neo Art wrote:
Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
not to mention the list that everyone on here made, all those apply too. *nods*


Your signature interests me. Apparently within the space of approximately three weeks and 40 posts, you have apparently been called a nazi with such frequency that you feel it necessary to put a pre-emptive warning there.

You're going to be an entertaining one, aren't you?



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Postby Orcoa » Tue May 14, 2013 11:23 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
You certainly can, which is why I said he is most likely an atheist and hardly right-winged. Sarcasm is sarcasm and judging somebody by their name or a few posts in one thread is about as annoying as somebody presuming you're a "progressive" because that word happens to be in your NS name.


i always judged you as a ghost president speaking to us from the other side.

Or in a glass jar

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Postby Nadkor » Tue May 14, 2013 11:23 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Personal attacks are against. I suggest you familiarize yourself with them.

As for Obama, try the claims of legal authority to indefinitely detain and murder American citizens, without due process of law.

Uh huh. See, you have this braggadocios claim in your bumper that shows you're a Silver Medal debater. That's not a personal attack to point it out. Nice try though.


I kinda always think that if you have to go around saying "No, I swear; I am good at debating! Some people on the internet said so!" then, well, you're probably not.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Tue May 14, 2013 11:23 am

Imperium of the Gliusor Species wrote:Plan of the republicans to do stupid shit.
No. He hasn't done anything illegal.

Nonsense. The man is clearly guilty of being black.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 14, 2013 11:24 am

Nadkor wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Presuming unconstitutional actions are a high crime, and the president is committing such crimes frequently, then what would SCOTUS have anything to do with whether the president should be charged (impeached) and convicted (removed), except the CJ's ceremonial role during such cases in the senate?


Ehh...eh?

Where did I say they anything like that?


Sib said almost everything Obama does is unconstitutional. You replied you'd rather let SCOTUS determine that. And based on the assumption that everything Obama does is unconstitutional and unconstitutional actions constitutes a high crime, then on a thread about impeachment, wouldn't the legislature be in charge of determining his guilt or innocence?

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Postby Neo Art » Tue May 14, 2013 11:24 am

Nadkor wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Uh huh. See, you have this braggadocios claim in your bumper that shows you're a Silver Medal debater. That's not a personal attack to point it out. Nice try though.


I kinda always think that if you have to go around saying "No, I swear; I am good at debating! Some people on the internet said so!" then, well, you're probably not.


Oh sure, but when it's sexiest NSGer, well then you...actually don't really seem to care about that one all together too much either...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 14, 2013 11:24 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I didn't know you had such a flimsy grasp on the Constitution.

Murder is unconstitutional. As is, indefinite detention.

nah, once your dead the body is release.
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Postby The Marxist State » Tue May 14, 2013 11:25 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
I'd rather let SCOTUS, the actual people whose job it is to say so, be the judge of that. You not liking what he does =/= what he does being unconstitutional.


Presuming unconstitutional actions are a high crime, and the president is committing such crimes frequently, then what would SCOTUS have anything to do with whether the president should be charged (impeached) and convicted (removed), except the CJ's ceremonial role during such cases in the senate?


What Nadkor was saying is that SCOTUS can rule executive orders or legislation signed by the President unconstitutional without removing him from office.
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Postby Sibirsky » Tue May 14, 2013 11:25 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Personal attacks are against. I suggest you familiarize yourself with them.

As for Obama, try the claims of legal authority to indefinitely detain and murder American citizens, without due process of law.

Uh huh. See, you have this braggadocios claim in your bumper that shows you're a Silver Medal debater. That's not a personal attack to point it out. Nice try though.

And, which AMCITs has he murdered, exactly?

You are not merely pointing it out. I don't your need your bullshit.

Have you been living under a rock?

Abdulrahman Anwar Al-Awlaki?

They claim it is a mistake. And sure, lets give them the benefit of the doubt. it is a mistake.

Killing his father was not. And being an American citizen, he is entitled to the due process of law. Like any other American citizen.

Or, it should be, any other human being, having to go through the American justice system.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am

The Marxist State wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Presuming unconstitutional actions are a high crime, and the president is committing such crimes frequently, then what would SCOTUS have anything to do with whether the president should be charged (impeached) and convicted (removed), except the CJ's ceremonial role during such cases in the senate?


What Nadkor was saying is that SCOTUS can rule executive orders or legislation signed by the President unconstitutional without removing him from office.


Ah, never mind then.

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:
Almost everything that corrupt piece of shit does, is a violation of the constitution.

BREAKING NEWS! Obama takes a shit! Country in uproar over this disturbing expression of disregard for the constitution!!!1111!!

:palm:
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue May 14, 2013 11:27 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:BREAKING NEWS! Obama takes a shit! Country in uproar over this disturbing expression of disregard for the constitution!!!1111!!

:palm:

For once, your facepalm makes sense.

Perhaps you realize the idiocy of claiming that almost everything he does is a violation of the constitution while being unable to name even ten.
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Postby Nadkor » Tue May 14, 2013 11:27 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
Ehh...eh?

Where did I say they anything like that?


Sib said almost everything Obama does is unconstitutional. You replied you'd rather let SCOTUS determine that. And based on the assumption that everything Obama does is unconstitutional and unconstitutional actions constitutes a high crime, then on a thread about impeachment, wouldn't the legislature be in charge of determining his guilt or innocence?


This doesn't even remotely follow.

Doing something unconstitutional isn't a high crime (although, of course, some high crimes might be things that are unconstitutional), or half the federal government would have been arrested at some point in the last 250 years.

You know that not every breach of the law is a criminal matter, right?

Please tell me that you know this.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Tue May 14, 2013 11:28 am

Sibirsky wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Uh huh. See, you have this braggadocios claim in your bumper that shows you're a Silver Medal debater. That's not a personal attack to point it out. Nice try though.

And, which AMCITs has he murdered, exactly?

You are not merely pointing it out. I don't your need your bullshit.

Have you been living under a rock?

Abdulrahman Anwar Al-Awlaki?

They claim it is a mistake. And sure, lets give them the benefit of the doubt. it is a mistake.

Killing his father was not. And being an American citizen, he is entitled to the due process of law. Like any other American citizen.

Or, it should be, any other human being, having to go through the American justice system.


How is this different from the usual illegal things that our government does?

Obama, for one, actually knows how to speak English, so it is an improvement from the former state of things, and enough to redeem any of his crimes.

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Postby Neo Art » Tue May 14, 2013 11:29 am

Sibirsky wrote:Killing his father was not. And being an American citizen, he is entitled to the due process of law. Like any other American citizen.


It's true. This is why, before engaging the Confederate army, the Union held seperate and indvidual trials for each and every member of the oppositional army, before determining whether it was lawful to kill them.

Or, rather, this was true, in Stupid Universe (stupid universe is what happens when you use a die to find out who gets the pizza, and roll a 4)

This is, incidentally, why the South won the war in Stupid Universe. Because they recognized the inanity of proposing that due process of law applies on the battlefield
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Postby Nadkor » Tue May 14, 2013 11:29 am

Neo Art wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
I kinda always think that if you have to go around saying "No, I swear; I am good at debating! Some people on the internet said so!" then, well, you're probably not.


Oh sure, but when it's sexiest NSGer, well then you...actually don't really seem to care about that one all together too much either...


Being told you're pretty by a group of teenage boys on the internet is hardly one for the CV :p
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 14, 2013 11:29 am

Nadkor wrote:Doing something unconstitutional isn't a high crime (although, of course, some high crimes might be things that are unconstitutional), or half the federal government would have been arrested at some point in the last 250 years.


There are some who think that should have happened.

Nadkor wrote:You know that not every breach of the law is a criminal matter, right?


Yes.

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Postby Sabara » Tue May 14, 2013 11:29 am

Posting this on NSG?

Get ready for the bloodthirsty liberals to jump down your throat. :P
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