Anti-Zionism And Anti-Semitism

[Allbeama]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

Do you know what "socialist" means? The way you're using it makes me doubtful.

[Kirrix]

The UN has handed down one ridiculous resolution after another on Israel for decades. There have been attempts to place unfair weapons restrictions on the IDF. There have been orders to vacate areas occupied in the course of wars of defense. Many governments of UN member states are elected by populations severely anti-Israel.

I'm not saying trust Israel implicitly, I'm saying send someone other than the UN. If Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch did its own fact finding mission without UN influence, I'll give that some weight.

[Dyakovo]

The UN has handed down one ridiculous resolution after another on Israel for decades.

Name some.

[Yootopia]

The UN has handed down one ridiculous resolution after another on Israel for decades.

None of them particularly binding, though.

[Neu California]

The UN has handed down one ridiculous resolution after another on Israel for decades. There have been attempts to place unfair weapons restrictions on the IDF. There have been orders to vacate areas occupied in the course of wars of defense. Many governments of UN member states are elected by populations severely anti-Israel.

I'm not saying trust Israel implicitly, I'm saying send someone other than the UN. If Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch did its own fact finding mission without UN influence, I'll give that some weight.

Question: How did Israel occupy territory in wars of defense? If they're wars of defense, it kind of implies that they're simply defending their territory, not taking other people's.

[Ryadn]

Has anyone quoted Dr. King yet? I'm too lazy to check, and far too lazy to do it myself if someone already has.

[Gauthier]

The UN has handed down one ridiculous resolution after another on Israel for decades.

None of them particularly binding, though.

The U.S. would kill anything that was actually binding and substantial like a sanction anyways. Short of Israel flagrantly committing ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians (and perhaps even beyond that) it'll protect Israel from any reproachment.

[Bavin]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

Do you know what "socialist" means? The way you're using it makes me doubtful.

He's referring to the Nazi's, which was short for National Socialists. Don't let the latter part of the phrase confuse you, they were fassies.

[Kirrix]

Question: How did Israel occupy territory in wars of defense? If they're wars of defense, it kind of implies that they're simply defending their territory, not taking other people's.

War of defense implies that the state was attacked or there was sufficient evidence that the state would be attacked. If one is fighting to defend your territory from an enemy aggressor it is perfectly legitimate to occupy the aggressor's territory to cripple their ability to continue being an agressor.

Israeli wars I consider to be wars of defense include: The Independence War ('48), The Six Day War ('67), The Yom Kippur War ('73)
Israeli wars I consider to be wars of aggression: to date, only The Suez Canal War/Crisis ('56)
Israeli wars I consider to occupy a sort of gray area: The First Lebanon War ('91), The Second Lebanon War ('06), and The Gaza Strip War ('08)

[Bavin]

Question: How did Israel occupy territory in wars of defense? If they're wars of defense, it kind of implies that they're simply defending their territory, not taking other people's.

War of defense implies that the state was attacked or there was sufficient evidence that the state would be attacked. If one is fighting to defend your territory from an enemy aggressor it is perfectly legitimate to occupy the aggressor's territory to cripple their ability to continue being an agressor.

Israeli wars I consider to be wars of defense include: The Independence War ('48), The Six Day War ('67), The Yom Kippur War ('73), and The Second Lebanon War ('06)
Israeli wars I consider to be wars of aggression: to date, only The Suez Canal War/Crisis ('56)
Israeli wars I consider to occupy a sort of gray area: The First Lebanon War ('91), The Second Lebanon War ('06), and The Gaza Strip War ('08)

Gaza wasn't a war of aggression?

[Kirrix]

Gaza wasn't a war of aggression?

No, because of the Hamas rocket attacks.

[Yootopia]

Israeli wars I consider to be wars of defense include The Six Day War ('67)

Oh fuck off, that was an act of aggression against a neighbour, a 'pre-emptive strke' if you will.

[Kirrix]

Oh fuck off, that was an act of aggression against a neighbour, a 'pre-emptive strke' if you will.

I differentiate between preemptive strikes and aggression. Israel would have been fine living with the surrounding nations, but the surrounding nations began taking aggressive actions designed to heighten tension. The Arab States would have attacked either way, so Israel was well within its right to defend itself by going on the offensive.

[Kobrania]

I am a vocal anti-Zionist.

The Brits had no right to steal the land away for the Jews.

Imagine if we tried to retake New England?

[Non Aligned States]

War of defense implies that the state was attacked or there was sufficient evidence that the state would be attacked. If one is fighting to defend your territory from an enemy aggressor it is perfectly legitimate to occupy the aggressor's territory to cripple their ability to continue being an agressor.

Soo.... assuming it was capable of doing so, Lebanon would have been justified in invading, and occupying, say... Tel Aviv on the grounds that it was going to be invaded/bombed by Israel?

Well, not just invading and occupying, but annexing as well.

[Libertarian Governance]

Zionism is a nationalistic neo nazi political ideology. Its modern viewpoint was largely shaped by Ze'ev Jabotinsky who led the Zionist movement in the thirties. His viewpoint is enshrined in the state policies of Israel and particularly idealized by the Likud party.

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites. So being anti-semitic necessarily refers to objecting to all the members of this group. However, Zionist like tossing the term about seeking sympathy for their own war crimes and genocidal activities.

[The Romulan Republic]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same.

Anti-Zionism means you're against certain policies. Anti-semitism means you're against Jews.

Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

Its a democracy who's fighting a ruthless enemy by attacking and abusing innocent civilians. I don't care how bad your enemies are- "self-defense" is not a blank check to do whatever you want to noncombatants.

It sounds to me based on the above like you think that anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite, and don't quite have the guts to come out and say it. Maybe I'm just paranoid though.

[Skibereen]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

I suggest you do your own research. But lets look at the two words Semite and Zionist...are they exactly the same thing? Can one be a Zionist and not a Semite? Can one be a Semite and not a Zionist? Are both in the same category of Adjectives? As in are they both an ethnicity or religion or is one a philosophy a person chooses and the other an ethnicity one is born into?


Seriously, how can take part in a discussion when didnt even take the time to gather the most remedial bit of information on the subject?

[Skibereen]

For everyone discussing this intelligently
http://www.economicthought.net/2009/07/ ... ng-battle/
The article on question was written by a Nationstater, it is intelligent, thought out and decidedly realistic in its view--and i dare anyone to call him an anti-semite.

[Libertarian Governance]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

I suggest you do your own research. But lets look at the two words Semite and Zionist...are they exactly the same thing? Can one be a Zionist and not a Semite? Can one be a Semite and not a Zionist? Are both in the same category of Adjectives? As in are they both an ethnicity or religion or is one a philosophy a person chooses and the other an ethnicity one is born into?


Seriously, how can take part in a discussion when didnt even take the time to gather the most remedial bit of information on the subject?

I see nothing but a bunch of questions you are asking. What is the point you are trying to make?

[Skibereen]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

I suggest you do your own research. But lets look at the two words Semite and Zionist...are they exactly the same thing? Can one be a Zionist and not a Semite? Can one be a Semite and not a Zionist? Are both in the same category of Adjectives? As in are they both an ethnicity or religion or is one a philosophy a person chooses and the other an ethnicity one is born into?


Seriously, how can take part in a discussion when didnt even take the time to gather the most remedial bit of information on the subject?

I see nothing but a bunch of questions you are asking. What is the point you are trying to make?

Wow...

That the OP should be able to answer those question before asking people to just ell him what Zionism or being a Semite are...fairly clear. Since my first statement was "I suggest you do your own research."

Drop acid much?

[Dododecapod]

Anti-Semitism is simply racial/religious hatred. Like all forms of hate, it can only be really combatted via education and improved cosmopolitanism of the populace.

Anti-Zionism is tilting at windmills. Israel exists, there are natives therof, the arguments against it's existence have ceased to matter.

[Libertarian Governance]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

I suggest you do your own research. But lets look at the two words Semite and Zionist...are they exactly the same thing? Can one be a Zionist and not a Semite? Can one be a Semite and not a Zionist? Are both in the same category of Adjectives? As in are they both an ethnicity or religion or is one a philosophy a person chooses and the other an ethnicity one is born into?


Seriously, how can take part in a discussion when didnt even take the time to gather the most remedial bit of information on the subject?

I see nothing but a bunch of questions you are asking. What is the point you are trying to make?

Wow...

That the OP should be able to answer those question before asking people to just ell him what Zionism or being a Semite are...fairly clear. Since my first statement was "I suggest you do your own research."

Drop acid much?

Sheets at a time but that doesn't change the fact that the rambling dialogue you put forth didn't make much sense. Why don't you tell us your opinion on anti-semitism and anti-zionism.

[Skibereen]

Anti-Semitism is simply racial/religious hatred. Like all forms of hate, it can only be really combatted via education and improved cosmopolitanism of the populace.

Anti-Zionism is tilting at windmills. Israel exists, there are natives therof, the arguments against it's existence have ceased to matter.

Not exactly, one can be AntiZionist and Pro-Israel. Or at least not Anti-Israel.

[Skibereen]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

I suggest you do your own research. But lets look at the two words Semite and Zionist...are they exactly the same thing? Can one be a Zionist and not a Semite? Can one be a Semite and not a Zionist? Are both in the same category of Adjectives? As in are they both an ethnicity or religion or is one a philosophy a person chooses and the other an ethnicity one is born into?


Seriously, how can take part in a discussion when didnt even take the time to gather the most remedial bit of information on the subject?

I see nothing but a bunch of questions you are asking. What is the point you are trying to make?

Wow...

That the OP should be able to answer those question before asking people to just ell him what Zionism or being a Semite are...fairly clear. Since my first statement was "I suggest you do your own research."

Drop acid much?

Sheets at a time but that doesn't change the fact that the rambling dialogue you put forth didn't make much sense. Why don't you tell us your opinion on anti-semitism and anti-zionism.

Made perfect sense, your lack of cognitive ability is no fault of mine.