Anti-Zionism And Anti-Semitism

[Kalakda]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

[The Norse Hordes]

Anti-zionism means one is against the concept of zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Anti-semitism means you just hate jews.

[Takaram]

Zionism is the support for a Jewish state. Anti-Zionism is the opposite. Antisemitism just means you hate Jews.

EDIT: Never mind, already been beaten to it.

[Cosmopoles]

Anti-semitism is racism against Jews because they are Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the actions of certain Jews, namely the ones who feel that they have a divine right to other people's land.

[Robarya]

This is a question for everyone who reads this thread, here is the question:

-Explain in detail the difference between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

Please, I am not trolling, I don't even know what it means. No whining, just explain in detail the difference, and if you can't think of anything, then it means that these two are one and the same. Explain in detail, no rambling "Israel's bad! Israel's bad!", it's a democracy and it's fighting against a ruthless enemy, so please answer my question and explain.

Anti-Semitism is hate towards Semitic peoples (most commonly Jews). Anti-Zionism is to be against the idea of a homeland (Israel) for the Jews. So a Leftist who's shedding tears for the poor Palestinians might be an Anti-Zionist, although he's actually against Anti-Semitism. To take another example, a National Socialist can be a Zionist and a Anti-Semite at the same time.

[Kalakda]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

[Goath]

Additionally, one can be an anti-zionist and not be anti-Semitic in the least.

[The Norse Hordes]

Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations.

[Goath]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

Wait...how does anything you typed sound "socialist"?

And while I'm not opposed to Israel's right to exist in the least...it isn't a sainted nation at all.

[Robarya]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

Before WW2 the National Socialist leadership wanted to get rid of the Jews living in Germany by shipping them to Palestine. That was out of pragmatism, though. Most National Socialists today are not ZIonists.

[Takaram]

The National Socialists would never have approved of a Zionist state! Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations. The Jews are far more fair rulers than their most dangerous enemy, Iran. I support Israel and know the deep hatred the Radical Islamists have for the Jews, for they believe are the evil offspring of Pigs and Apes, so that sounds a little socialist to me.

Wait...how does anything you typed sound "socialist"?

And while I'm not opposed to Israel's right to exist in the least...it isn't a sainted nation at all.

National Socialists i.e. Nazis

[Kalakda]

Anti-semitism is racism against Jews because they are Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the actions of certain Jews, namely the ones who feel that they have a divine right to other people's land.

Really? Ahmendenajad has stated that Israel will "be wiped off the map", and Iran is right now researching the technology to build the nukes to annihilate the Jewish state. If that is all because of Israel's settlements, then that's an insane reason to nuke a peaceful democracy. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be different, but they often go hand in hand. Those who hate the Jews also hate the Jewish state.

You can't stop prophesies, the prophets predicted that Israel shall become established again before the beginning of the Tribulation. Since Israel was founded 61 years ago, a major prophecy had been fulfilled.

[Dyakovo]

Damn it all, I keep reading this thread title as "Anti-Zombieism And Anti-Semitism"...

[The Norse Hordes]

Anti-semitism is racism against Jews because they are Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the actions of certain Jews, namely the ones who feel that they have a divine right to other people's land.

Really? Ahmendenajad has stated that Israel will "be wiped off the map", and Iran is right now researching the technology to build the nukes to annihilate the Jewish state. If that is all because of Israel's settlements, then that's an insane reason to nuke a peaceful democracy. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be different, but they often go hand in hand. Those who hate the Jews also hate the Jewish state.

A lot of it has to do with the settlement and Israel taking arab land.

You can't stop prophesies, the prophets predicted that Israel shall become established again before the beginning of the Tribulation. Since Israel was founded 61 years ago, a major prophecy had been fulfilled.

Jesus was also supposed to come back before Rome fell, and the world was supposed to end in 2000.

Prophecies are real reliable.


Its clear now this whole thread was your attempt to try and paint those of us who dont think Israel can do no wrong as anti-semites. Im sorry I provided you with a real answer and was drawn into your little trap. I wasnt familiar with you before, but now I am. Trust me, I wont make the same mistake twice.

[Kalakda]

Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations.

Try looking yourself in the mirror anti-Zionist.

Look, I read the Levitt Letter, and it states that Israel may be safer than the most dangerous cities in the US.

Besides, do you have to laugh at me, after all the Bible predicts that Israel will be "hated among nations", which is happening among idiots like you.

[Kalakda]

Jesus was also supposed to come back before Rome fell, and the world was supposed to end in 2000.

Prophecies are real reliable.


Where does it say that?

:Jesus is the messiah, and he'll come again, so THERE!!!

[Takaram]

Israel's not an Apartheid State, the Arabs are treated better than their brothers in other nations.

Try looking yourself in the mirror anti-Zionist.

Look, I read the Levitt Letter, and it states that Israel may be safer than the most dangerous cities in the US.

Besides, do you have to laugh at me, after all the Bible predicts that Israel will be "hated among nations", which is happening among idiots like you.

Cease the flaming.

[Tekania]

Anti-semitism is racism against Jews because they are Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the actions of certain Jews, namely the ones who feel that they have a divine right to other people's land.

Really? Ahmendenajad has stated that Israel will "be wiped off the map", and Iran is right now researching the technology to build the nukes to annihilate the Jewish state. If that is all because of Israel's settlements, then that's an insane reason to nuke a peaceful democracy. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be different, but they often go hand in hand. Those who hate the Jews also hate the Jewish state.

You can't stop prophesies, the prophets predicted that Israel shall become established again before the beginning of the Tribulation. Since Israel was founded 61 years ago, a major prophecy had been fulfilled.

Can I ask you a serious question?

Why does your response seem both reactionary towards the poster it quotes in response to; while at the same time having nothing to do with what that poster said?

Not to mention not all Christians (which includes Messianic Jews) are Premillenialists.. most are Amillenial... The Israel of Prophesy was founded long before Israel the present state..... Israel is the Church of Christ.... there are NOT two brides... That is a dispensationalist heresy.

[Kalakda]

Yes, well.
I'm calling on Israel supporters to help me argue with these jerks.

[Kalakda]

Can I ask you a serious question?

Why does your response seem both reactionary towards the poster it quotes in response to; while at the same time having nothing to do with what that poster said?

Not to mention not all Christians (which includes Messianic Jews) are Premillenialists.. most are Amillenial... The Israel of Prophesy was founded long before Israel the present state..... Israel is the Church of Christ.... there are NOT two brides... That is a dispensationalist heresy.[/quote]


Say WHAT?!!!

[Korintar]

Zionism is Jewish nationalism, a political ideology, thus anti-Zionism means that you are simply against Jewish nationalism. Anti-semitism though, more accurately than common usage suggests, is having a hatred against the semitic race, which includes Jews, Arabs, and a few other groups.

So...
Can one be anti zionist without being anti semitic? Yes, although, quite often, it is hard to distinguish between the two.
Can one be prejudiced against Arabs without being anti semitic? Yes, but you are starting to push the boundaries
Can one be prejudiced against Jews without being anti semitic? according to popular usage, no. according to definition, a priori, see #2.

[Kalakda]

[quote="Korintar";p="918510"]Zionism is Jewish nationalism, a political ideology, thus anti-Zionism means that you are simply against Jewish nationalism.
Dude, you just summed up my beliefs.

[Neu California]

Anti-semitism is racism against Jews because they are Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the actions of certain Jews, namely the ones who feel that they have a divine right to other people's land.

Really? Ahmendenajad has stated that Israel will "be wiped off the map", and Iran is right now researching the technology to build the nukes to annihilate the Jewish state. If that is all because of Israel's settlements, then that's an insane reason to nuke a peaceful democracy. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be different, but they often go hand in hand. Those who hate the Jews also hate the Jewish state.

He's an anti-zionist AND an anti-semite

You can't stop prophesies, the prophets predicted that Israel shall become established again before the beginning of the Tribulation. Since Israel was founded 61 years ago, a major prophecy had been fulfilled.

[/quote]Citing prophesies in the bible to a bunch of secular people doesn't really work.

[Tsukyomy]

Zionism is Jewish nationalism, a political ideology, thus anti-Zionism means that you are simply against Jewish nationalism. Anti-semitism though, more accurately than common usage suggests, is having a hatred against the semitic race, which includes Jews, Arabs, and a few other groups.

So...
Can one be anti zionist without being anti semitic? Yes, although, quite often, it is hard to distinguish between the two.
Can one be prejudiced against Arabs without being anti semitic? Yes, but you are starting to push the boundaries
Can one be prejudiced against Jews without being anti semitic? according to popular usage, no. according to definition, a priori, see #2.

Actually sionism is a modern jewish fundamentalist philosophy that tries to restore the holy state of the jews, this is complex, cuz it goes against the deal the jews did with "God" that their tribe would never do this thing. Really, look it out!

[Autumn Wind]

the prophets predicted that Israel shall become established again before the beginning of the Tribulation

Actually, that one happened a long time ago. The prophecy of the reestablishment of the Israelite kingdom was during the Babylonian exile, so it was fulfilled by Ezra and the Persians. After the Romans destroyed that kindom, the people dusted off the old prophecies and reinstated them.

Even if you hold to those prophecies, Isreal's re-reestablishment doesn't necessarily mean that we are in the time of approaching the begining of the End Days. For all we know, Israel might be destroyed and rebuilt dozens of times before the end of the world.