
by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:10 pm

by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:12 pm
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:13 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Well doesn't the mere definition of omniscience trump any parameters for quantum physics scientists come up with?
Just sayin'...

by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:16 pm
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:Well doesn't the mere definition of omniscience trump any parameters for quantum physics scientists come up with?
Just sayin'...
Not really. The very idea of omnipotence simply doesn't fit with an indeterminate universe. If god is truly omnipotent, then it is simply the case that the universe is deterministic.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

by Zykorinov » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:16 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Well doesn't the mere definition of omniscience trump any principles of quantum physics scientists come up with?
Just sayin'...

by New Kereptica » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:17 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:Well doesn't the mere definition of omniscience trump any parameters for quantum physics scientists come up with?
Just sayin'...
Not really. The very idea of omnipotence simply doesn't fit with an indeterminate universe. If god is truly omnipotent, then it is simply the case that the universe is deterministic.
*after a flurry of Wikipedia searches...*
Why would God's omnipotence have an effect on whether the universe is deterministic or not?
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by Zykorinov » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:17 pm
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by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:17 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:*after a flurry of Wikipedia searches...*
Why would God's omnipotence have an effect on whether the universe is deterministic or not?

by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:18 pm
New Kereptica wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:Well doesn't the mere definition of omniscience trump any parameters for quantum physics scientists come up with?
Just sayin'...
Not really. The very idea of omnipotence simply doesn't fit with an indeterminate universe. If god is truly omnipotent, then it is simply the case that the universe is deterministic.
*after a flurry of Wikipedia searches...*
Why would God's omnipotence have an effect on whether the universe is deterministic or not?
If he knows the absolute course the future will take then there is no chance in anything. It is entirely deterministic.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:20 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:But why would God's knowing of the future have an effect on the universe itself (assuming God did nothing to intervene otherwise)?

by Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:20 pm
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:But why would God's knowing of the future have an effect on the universe itself (assuming God did nothing to intervene otherwise)?
It wouldn't. But if he knows the future, it must be determined, either by him or the laws of physics or some other entity. If it isn't completely determined, then he can't know the future with certainty. The two notions are not compatible.


by Zykorinov » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:21 pm
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:But why would God's knowing of the future have an effect on the universe itself (assuming God did nothing to intervene otherwise)?
It wouldn't. But if he knows the future, it must be determined, either by him or the laws of physics or some other entity. If it isn't completely determined, then he can't know the future with certainty. The two notions are not compatible.

by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:21 pm

by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:21 pm
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:But why would God's knowing of the future have an effect on the universe itself (assuming God did nothing to intervene otherwise)?
It wouldn't. But if he knows the future, it must be determined, either by him or the laws of physics or some other entity. If it isn't completely determined, then he can't know the future with certainty. The two notions are not compatible.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:23 pm
Zykorinov wrote:Which also debunks Randomism, if Omniscience is true, of course.

by Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:23 pm

by Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:24 pm
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by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:25 pm
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.

by UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:25 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:I don't see how God knowing the future necessarily means that he made it that way (making the universe deterministic). Or at least, his omniscience wouldn't have had anything to do with it.

by Zykorinov » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:25 pm
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Zykorinov wrote:Which also debunks Randomism, if Omniscience is true, of course.
I've often not understood what people mean when they say random. In the context of common vernacular, random often means "contains some probabilistic elements to it." In statistics, random is often reserved to describe systems where every outcome is equally likely to happen.

by Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:26 pm
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