Does God exist?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

... Of course not.

Haven't you been reading any of his posts?

Yep.

But I'm bored, it's a Friday evening and this is a religious thread; may as well see what he comes up with.

[Distruzio]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

But aren't there certain situations where some laws don't apply ? like cause and effect. It would be an endless loop and nothing would have come into existence if the law was true for all cases.

Not to mention the fact that scientists continue to discover whole planets, stars, and solar systems where our laws of physics don't apply. Then there are the materialshere on earththat disregard physics altogether.

[Koumakan Underground]

I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not trying to PROVE God's existence. I'm just trying to explain that you can't DISPROVE God's existence either.

Well I think that there's a Big Mac floating in space.

I can't prove it but you can't disprove it. Therefore, I'm right.

Actually, considering the amount of space junk we have in orbit around our planet, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a Big Mac floating around up there.

[Kaizakhstan]

Disregarding the fact that your question is a, to put it bluntly, useless one...as far as we know, the laws of physics have always existed. If you, however, are willing to claim, despite no proof and with no actual rational basis, that any gap in scientific theory can only be explained through the faith in an illusive supreme entity...then you have quite the problem in your hands.

Also...if god were physics, then the Bible, and all related religious text, would be the greatest lie ever told. After all, physical laws, applied in our Universe, are quite hostile towards human life. Physical laws gave us a Universe where the odds are stacked against as, and where a plethora of phenomena are constantly trying to destroy our species (just like 99% of all the species that came before us).

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

This is kind of the point I was trying to make.

Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

Woah there, son, that's Devil talk

[Distruzio]

Actually, you're affirming his belief with that nonsense. So you're telling him that he is right. Not that you are.

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

I think that it's a silly reproach that is too often used. Russell's Teapot isn't a response at all to the theist perspective.

[The Rich Port]

Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

If God didn't want us to masturbate, he really shit the money bed on preventing it.

It's not even that he gave us genitals and hands to stroke them with.

It's that he made masturbation good for you.

[Koevoet]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

This is kind of the point I was trying to make.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

Woah there, son, that's Devil talk

Devil talk?

Well, seems the devil loves me more then God then.

[Councordia]

Erm, the link. And also, high school world history. Maybe not American high school world history.

(EDIT) Also, in retrospect, 'blah blah blah' does not a response constitute. And I nowhere said that atheists cause all the suffering in the world. So either respond to my evidence (the numbers) with evidence, or getouttahere...

Fascism and nationalsocialism were not atheistic. All the contrary: both fascist regimes and Nazi Germany were strongly theistic.

Proof? Please? One can cloak one's ideology in religious rhetoric, but that does not makes one's ideology a religious ideology.

Also...eugenics, and the fascist and nationalsocialist (mis)interpretation of Darwinian evolutionary theory, are not in any way correlated to atheism. Darwinian evolutionism is not a "book" of the athiest "bible". Atheism lacks a central dogma, unlike religion. There are no atheist commandments. There is no central, absolutist atheist myth of the creation of the universe. There are no atheist prophecies, or rituals.

I know that there is no 'atheist scripture' although apparently, now, you do in fact have churches and priests (funny, that). And it is exactly that lack of a central dogma that totally makes all your 'no true scotsman' claims below absolutely, well, ridiculous. /b]

Fascism is not secular, and if you knew anything of 20th century European and Latin American history (or at least, anything factual about it) you'd know full well that practically all fascist regimes were Catholic, either de jure or de facto. From Mussolini and Franco, to Pinochet and Videla.

[b] Perhaps 'fascist' is too broad a term, because, as you pointed out, it does encompass a broad range of ideologies and historical manifestations. Let's go with Nazism as our poster child for radical nationalism for now, 'mkay?

Nazi Germany was not primarily catholic. In fact, Hitler's ideas of genetic purity were entirely unrelated to religion. Furthermore, Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Stalinism (and its Asian and Latin American variants), on the other hand, always involved a cult of personality surrounding the leader of the regime, and never was any of the crimes you accuse Stalinism of committed in the name of atheism. They were committed in the name of an ideology, one that is not inherently theistic or atheistic.

I don't really give two shits if it was done in the name of any particular thing. The pragmatic, actual outworking of Stalinism, which had atheistic materialism as its guiding ideological star, was mass murder.

"The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion[1] and its replacement with universal atheism.[2][3] The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools.[4] The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth." From none other than Wiki : [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
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Stalinism and fascism are not secularistic ideologies. All the contrary: they imposed state religions, based on political leaders rather than unseen deities.

Which is secularism (Rousseau's, not Locke's) taken to its logical conclusion. Stop lying. Thanks

Also, please do yourself a favor and get rid of this bullshit claim:

So if any ideology is 'dangerous', it is atheism. Not because atheists are dangerous people, but because they believe in no one (but themselves and the Goddess Reason) hold to no creed (except to anathematize other creeds) and have no real basis for conducting themselves in a 'moral' fashion. And here's the proof of it.*

It's a claim so blatantly false and disgustingly inane that it barely deserves a proper response.

Well, it didn't get one, so I guess everything's Ok, then.

Since most crimes in the world are committed by theists rather than atheists, and since most nations with a large percentage of atheist citizens are not anarchic, impoverished, polluted bloodbaths...yeah, feel free to take that bullshit elsewhere, along with every single tired old talking point you've spewed.

Fucking disgraceful.

Cute.

[The Moors of Fire]

But aren't there certain situations where some laws don't apply ? like cause and effect. It would be an endless loop and nothing would have come into existence if the law was true for all cases.

Not to mention the fact that scientists continue to discover whole planets, stars, and solar systems where our laws of physics don't apply. Then there are the materialshere on earththat disregard physics altogether.

I din't know that. Could you give me some names of those materials, I can't get on youtube where I am right now (School)

[Jerusalemian]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

This is kind of the point I was trying to make.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

Woah there, son, that's Devil talk

If you call masturbation forbidden your god fucked up didn't he?

[Jefferstown]

1) How can you believe such a thing in a Universe that has been designed with the odds stacked against you?

2) I've heard that tale...and all it does is prove how Christianity is basically sugar-coated misanthropy. Also...the Biblical god is self-contradicting. He makes claims that his own book then refutes, or even worse, that the natural world he himself allegedly created refutes.

3) Argumentum ad numerum? Yeah...

1) This, I admit I don't have an answer to. I've never given a great deal of thought to that specific topic. I'll gladly look into the 'origins of the Universe' question more fully and get back to you. Thanks for bringing it up!

2) I disagree, and again, it's off-topic.

3) You're trying to tell me that the majority of the population is schizophrenic. I don't think that's any less ridiculous.

[Cosara]

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

I have evidence against the Atheist World View (IE, a world in which no god exists). The Foundation of the Atheist World View is the Big Bang. Well, I have to ask: What created the big bang? What created the cause of the cause. What created the cause of the cause of the cause. This is an infinite regression which makes it impossible for the Big Bang to have happened. At some point down the line, you'd have to have an uncaused cause to cause the causes of all of the causes that caused the Big Bang. It's simple logic: From nothing, nothing comes. Now, your rebuttle is "Where did god come from." well, God, existing outside of time and space and not having to comply with the Laws of Nature, is the uncaused cause. The Big Bang must comply with the laws of nature, making it impossible under the reason I stated above, however God does not comply with the laws of nature, and is therefor free from needing a cause or a creator.

[Distruzio]

Not to mention the fact that scientists continue to discover whole planets, stars, and solar systems where our laws of physics don't apply. Then there are the materialshere on earththat disregard physics altogether.

I din't know that. Could you give me some names of those materials, I can't get on youtube where I am right now (School)

Gallium. Sulphur Hexafluoride. Hydrophobic materials.

[Liriena]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

This is kind of the point I was trying to make.

If that was your point...I must ask: why call physical laws "god"? Physical laws are not sapient entities. They are not even like viruses, which "pretend" to be living entities.

[Shokan]

I believe there is a god but i don't acknowledge him/her or whatever this god is. I believe this god has let humanity down and is no better than evil beings like Satan, devil or anything else that is considered evil. Their failure lies in not bring peace to this cursed world. We as humans must now change this world for the better. Of course humans aren't the smartest of creatures after all. So this world will continue to suffer in this cycle of hatred. In this course of this endless cycle of hatred beginning more hatred. All this arguments above me, only show me that human beings simply cannot understand each other and they never will.

[Koumakan Underground]

But aren't there certain situations where some laws don't apply ? like cause and effect. It would be an endless loop and nothing would have come into existence if the law was true for all cases.

Not to mention the fact that scientists continue to discover whole planets, stars, and solar systems where our laws of physics don't apply. Then there are the materialshere on earththat disregard physics altogether.

Sulfur hexafluoride is some cool-ass shit. I wanna get some just so I can float things on it and pretend that I'm magical.

[The Rich Port]

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

I have evidence against the Atheist World View (IE, a world in which no god exists). The Foundation of the Atheist World View is the Big Bang. Well, I have to ask: What created the big bang? What created the cause of the cause. What created the cause of the cause of the cause. This is an infinite regression which makes it impossible for the Big Bang to have happened. At some point down the line, you'd have to have an uncaused cause to cause the causes of all of the causes that caused the Big Bang. It's simple logic: From nothing, nothing comes. Now, your rebuttle is "Where did god come from." well, God, existing outside of time and space and not having to comply with the Laws of Nature, is the uncaused cause. The Big Bang must comply with the laws of nature, making it impossible under the reason I stated above, however God does not comply with the laws of nature, and is therefor free from needing a cause or a creator.

There are atheists who don't believe in the Big Bang. Or evolution, even.

This post is 90% identifiable horseshit and 10% ideological horseshit.

[Esparmuran]

Let's first all remember what "God" is gentlemen and gentlewoman.

God is, what most Christians from most dominions say, a Jewish zombie in the sky that watches over all of us, all the time. All 7 billion of us. Everyday, 24/7, nonstop. He supposedly protects us from dangers by sending his "angels" down to protect us. Although they seem to be invisible... which is a shame, because if I need help from him, I don't know when his angels arrive. His angels don't seem to do a good job protecting people either, considering almost 300,000 people on this planet die everyday. Maybe he just doesn't like us.

[Koevoet]

Let's first all remember what "God" is gentlemen and gentlewoman.

God is, what most Christians from most dominions say, a Jewish zombie in the sky that watches over all of us, all the time. All 7 billion of us. Everyday, 24/7, nonstop. He supposedly protects us from dangers by sending his "angels" down to protect us. Although they seem to be invisible... which is a shame, because if I need help from him, I don't know when his angels arrive. His angels don't seem to do a good job protecting people either, considering almost 300,000 people on this planet die everyday. Maybe he just doesn't like us.

"he's a silent protector, a guardian that never sleeps, it's

NANANANANNANANANANNA

BATMAAAN

[The Rich Port]

Let's first all remember what "God" is gentlemen and gentlewoman.

God is, what most Christians from most dominions say, a Jewish zombie in the sky that watches over all of us, all the time. All 7 billion of us. Everyday, 24/7, nonstop. He supposedly protects us from dangers by sending his "angels" down to protect us. Although they seem to be invisible... which is a shame, because if I need help from him, I don't know when his angels arrive. His angels don't seem to do a good job protecting people either, considering almost 300,000 people on this planet die everyday. Maybe he just doesn't like us.

I posit, therefore, that God is dangerous, and we should do everything in our power to destroy him.

I propose we tear a black hole vagina a few hundred light years from Earth and drop every nuke we have on the bastard.

The explosions will be powerful enough to rip another black hole vagina in his dimension, trapping him forever in a never-ending wormhole loop.

[Esparmuran]

Let's first all remember what "God" is gentlemen and gentlewoman.

God is, what most Christians from most dominions say, a Jewish zombie in the sky that watches over all of us, all the time. All 7 billion of us. Everyday, 24/7, nonstop. He supposedly protects us from dangers by sending his "angels" down to protect us. Although they seem to be invisible... which is a shame, because if I need help from him, I don't know when his angels arrive. His angels don't seem to do a good job protecting people either, considering almost 300,000 people on this planet die everyday. Maybe he just doesn't like us.

"he's a silent protector, a guardian that never sleeps, it's

NANANANANNANANANANNA

BATMAAAN

Jesus Christ... is Batman?

I need to make a religion on that. Batmananity.

[Transhuman Proteus]

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

I have evidence against the Atheist World View (IE, a world in which no god exists). The Foundation of the Atheist World View is the Big Bang. Well, I have to ask: What created the big bang? What created the cause of the cause. What created the cause of the cause of the cause. This is an infinite regression which makes it impossible for the Big Bang to have happened. At some point down the line, you'd have to have an uncaused cause to cause the causes of all of the causes that caused the Big Bang. It's simple logic: From nothing, nothing comes. Now, your rebuttle is "Where did god come from." well, God, existing outside of time and space and not having to comply with the Laws of Nature, is the uncaused cause. The Big Bang must comply with the laws of nature, making it impossible under the reason I stated above, however God does not comply with the laws of nature, and is therefor free from needing a cause or a creator.

Ah, ignorance of the variance hypothesis (such as those put forward by Hawking) that postulate the Big Bang most certainly did not need to be "caused" by something in the sense you are hung up on. And that it could well be foolish to operate on "well before the Big Bang" - no before.

Ergo - you have even failed to slay the "Atheist World View" strawman you have created for that purpose.

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

Proof?

This. Is. COSRA!

[Mirage]

Not to mention the fact that scientists continue to discover whole planets, stars, and solar systems where our laws of physics don't apply. Then there are the materialshere on earththat disregard physics altogether.

Sulfur hexafluoride is some cool-ass shit. I wanna get some just so I can float things on it and pretend that I'm magical.

You could just get a fly, put it in the refrigerator/icebox so that it hibernates (don't kill it), then rub your hands together and place it in your palm and "resurrect" it.
A bit tricky to do, but makes a decent magic trick to unsuspecting victims

[Distruzio]

Let's first all remember what "God" is gentlemen and gentlewoman.

God is, what most Christians from most dominions say, a Jewish zombie in the sky that watches over all of us, all the time. All 7 billion of us. Everyday, 24/7, nonstop.

So, he's a voyeur. Problem?

He supposedly protects us from dangers by sending his "angels" down to protect us. Although they seem to be invisible... which is a shame, because if I need help from him, I don't know when his angels arrive. His angels don't seem to do a good job protecting people either, considering almost 300,000 people on this planet die everyday. Maybe he just doesn't like us.

Who claims this? Where?

[Transhuman Proteus]

"he's a silent protector, a guardian that never sleeps, it's

NANANANANNANANANANNA

BATMAAAN

Jesus Christ... is Batman?

I need to make a religion on that. Batmananity.

It might already have occurred.

http://zerobs.net/media/batman-vs-jesus.jpg