Does God exist?

[Jefferstown]

Why isn't "don't know" an option? I'm calling BS on this.

Good question!

[Obamas Country]

But if an all powerfull being was pissed off at you wouldn't that be bad for you?

If you can't prove it exists and that the being is pissed about this thing there is no reason to believe it is and live your life according to that belief.

Ooops, Obamas Country, I've just got a message from my all powerful God - he's pissed off you're using a computer. Isn't that bad for you? Better chuck it in the bin and go live with some jolly Amish people.

That's what the Amish believe, I believe in the christian God.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Because we already know that the scenarios you posited are...well...bollocks.

Oh? And have you done multiple, unbiased experiments that ended with the same, conclusive results to prove that? I would very much like to see the results of such experiments.

Have I? No. Have scientists found any evidence that might suggest any possibility of your scenarios? No.

/eof

[Jerusalemian]

I don't believe in a imaginary man floating in the sky with angels.

[The Rich Port]

And why should we believe in a God that doesn't allow me to masturbate?

Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.

It's not about God, either, then.

Fucker can't do shit in here except presumably touch himself or whatever passes for females in his world.

If you don't have proof, we ain't believing your bullshit arguments.

Burden of Proof 101.

I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not trying to PROVE God's existence. I'm just trying to explain that you can't DISPROVE God's existence either.

We don't have to disprove he exists. The fact there's no evidence of him is proof enough he doesn't.

YOU have to prove he does in order for anything you say to be valid.

[The Moors of Fire]

Okay, but what caused quantum physics, or has physics just always existed?
What if God is physics?

Disregarding the fact that your question is a, to put it bluntly, useless one...as far as we know, the laws of physics have always existed. If you, however, are willing to claim, despite no proof and with no actual rational basis, that any gap in scientific theory can only be explained through the faith in an illusive supreme entity...then you have quite the problem in your hands.

Also...if god were physics, then the Bible, and all related religious text, would be the greatest lie ever told. After all, physical laws, applied in our Universe, are quite hostile towards human life. Physical laws gave us a Universe where the odds are stacked against as, and where a plethora of phenomena are constantly trying to destroy our species (just like 99% of all the species that came before us).

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

[Transhuman Proteus]

If you can't prove it exists and that the being is pissed about this thing there is no reason to believe it is and live your life according to that belief.

Ooops, Obamas Country, I've just got a message from my all powerful God - he's pissed off you're using a computer. Isn't that bad for you? Better chuck it in the bin and go live with some jolly Amish people.

That's what the Amish believe, I believe in the christian God.

It's the Christian God that just came to me.

I mean you can't disprove he didn't. I could have totally just renounced my Atheism after the vision and the singing and now am I true believer trying to save your soul using your own logic! God's really mad at you, wont that be bad for you?

Oh, and the Amish are Christians. The only true Christians it turns out if the vision I just had is any indication.

Course since nothing can be disproven logically that means Vishnu and Odin and Zeus and the Jade Emperor and.... all could exist and are equally valid to you're Christian God.

[Koumakan Underground]

Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

You might like Shinto, then. I hear that in certain regions of Japan, they have an entire religious festival dedicated to the phallus. I'm not even joking.

[Liriena]

...you believe in a self-contradicting, personal supreme entity that rules your life, that loves you and cares for you deeply, yet is reluctant to show himself for no good reason...and expect me to believe that such a belief is in any way different from schizophrenia?

1) I believe in a personal supreme entity (if you want to call it that) that rules my life, loves me and cares for me deeply. Yes.

2) I do not believe in a God who is either "self-contradictory" or "reluctant to show himself for no good reason". It's difficult to know something as certainly as I know God and say that he is "reluctant to show himself". Ever hear that joke about the guy who was drowning and refused help from a boat and a helicopter, saying "no thank you, God will save me?" It works as a parable. That's why I love it. In any case, both of these claims are theological issues, which are not relevant to the question at hand ("Does God Exist?", if you've forgotten.)

3) As for schizophrenia - it's kind of silly to throw a word like that around when believers are the norm in society, and also kind of insulting if you know anyone who has ever actually suffered from schizophrenia.

1) How can you believe such a thing in a Universe that has been designed with the odds stacked against you?

2) I've heard that tale...and all it does is prove how Christianity is basically sugar-coated misanthropy. Also...the Biblical god is self-contradicting. He makes claims that his own book then refutes, or even worse, that the natural world he himself allegedly created refutes.

3) Argumentum ad numerum? Yeah...

[Ainin]

If you don't have proof, we ain't believing your bullshit arguments.

Burden of Proof 101.

I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not trying to PROVE God's existence. I'm just trying to explain that you can't DISPROVE God's existence either.

Well I think that there's a Big Mac floating in space.

I can't prove it but you can't disprove it. Therefore, I'm right.

[Koevoet]

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that

You might like Shinto, then. I hear that in certain regions of Japan, they have an entire religious festival dedicated to the phallus. I'm not even joking.

Or I just don't give a damn about these gods and I just drink myself to an early grave.

I'll see then.

[Threlizdun]

I believe in a personal supreme entity (if you want to call it that) that rules my life, loves me and cares for me deeply. Yes.

I do not believe in a God who is either "self-contradictory" or "reluctant to show himself for no good reason".

Of course you do. You said you accepted the Calvinist notion of predestination right? That means you believe in a being that claims to love everyone, yet creates people with the intent of them going to hell. That's not love, that's sadism.

It's difficult to know something as certainly as I know God and say that he is "reluctant to show himself". Ever hear that joke about the guy who was drowning and refused help from a boat and a helicopter, saying "no thank you, God will save me?" It works as a parable. That's why I love it. In any case, both of these claims are theological issues, which are not relevant to the question at hand ("Does God Exist?", if you've forgotten.)

I have a better one. A woman in the the Democratic Republic of Congo prays to God as her twelve year old son is forced to rape her at gunpoint. God stands idly by as her son is then forced to kill her and his father before being pressed into becoming a child solider. But hey, God works in mysterious ways right?

As for schizophrenia - it's kind of silly to throw a word like that around when believers are the norm in society, and also kind of insulting if you know anyone who has ever actually suffered from schizophrenia.

[/quote]You're right, it is insulting to compare schizophrenics to that monster.

[The Rich Port]

Disregarding the fact that your question is a, to put it bluntly, useless one...as far as we know, the laws of physics have always existed. If you, however, are willing to claim, despite no proof and with no actual rational basis, that any gap in scientific theory can only be explained through the faith in an illusive supreme entity...then you have quite the problem in your hands.

Also...if god were physics, then the Bible, and all related religious text, would be the greatest lie ever told. After all, physical laws, applied in our Universe, are quite hostile towards human life. Physical laws gave us a Universe where the odds are stacked against as, and where a plethora of phenomena are constantly trying to destroy our species (just like 99% of all the species that came before us).

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

The laws of physics are just defined observations of consecutively occurring reactions.

They didn't create anything.

The universe wouldn't even have been created by them. It just popped into being.

[Distruzio]

I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not trying to PROVE God's existence. I'm just trying to explain that you can't DISPROVE God's existence either.

Well I think that there's a Big Mac floating in space.

I can't prove it but you can't disprove it. Therefore, I'm right.

Actually, you're affirming his belief with that nonsense. So you're telling him that he is right. Not that you are.

[Mirage]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

But aren't there certain situations where some laws don't apply ? like cause and effect. It would be an endless loop and nothing would have come into existence if the law was true for all cases.

[Cosara]

Atheists never can and never will prove that God DOES NOT exist. Christians never can and never will prove that God DOES exist. The whole point of God is that you can't prove that he does or doesn't exist. That's what faith is for.

So...your god is an illusive prick that expects you to brainwash yourself into stupidity and intellectual dishonesty in order to perceive his implausible existence as actually true?

Talk about arbitrary!

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So...your god is an illusive prick that expects you to brainwash yourself into stupidity and intellectual dishonesty in order to perceive his implausible existence as actually true?

Talk about arbitrary!

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

[Ainin]

Well I think that there's a Big Mac floating in space.

I can't prove it but you can't disprove it. Therefore, I'm right.

Actually, you're affirming his belief with that nonsense. So you're telling him that he is right. Not that you are.

I think your sarcasm meter is broken.

[Jerusalemian]

So...your god is an illusive prick that expects you to brainwash yourself into stupidity and intellectual dishonesty in order to perceive his implausible existence as actually true?

Talk about arbitrary!

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

Can you prove that statement?

[Liriena]

So...your god is an illusive prick that expects you to brainwash yourself into stupidity and intellectual dishonesty in order to perceive his implausible existence as actually true?

Talk about arbitrary!

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

Prove your claim.

[Transhuman Proteus]

So...your god is an illusive prick that expects you to brainwash yourself into stupidity and intellectual dishonesty in order to perceive his implausible existence as actually true?

Talk about arbitrary!

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

Pity there is no proof of anything sustaining our world like that, or any suggesting of such a thing being required.

[Koumakan Underground]

Oh? And have you done multiple, unbiased experiments that ended with the same, conclusive results to prove that? I would very much like to see the results of such experiments.

Have I? No. Have scientists found any evidence that might suggest any possibility of your scenarios? No.

/eof

And there you have it. They haven't found any evidence, because they haven't bothered to look. I think it's a shame-- we could potentially discover a new discipline of science, but we're wasting our time making cats that glow in the dark (which is pretty cool, don't get me wrong, and it could potentially help scientists discover ways to cure genetic diseases, but still, it's the principle of the thing).

[The Rich Port]

God does exist. He's not a storybook character, he's not an imaginary friend, he is the creator of all that is in existence and he personally sustains and influences out world.

You'll have proof for this, then, of course.

... Of course not.

Haven't you been reading any of his posts?

Or, rather, his lack thereof considering the number of shits being taken on him and questions being asked?

[Threlizdun]

Likewise, we are incapable of proving or disproving the existence of Bigfoot.

Exactly my point. That's why so many people don't believe in God

No, the point is that the belief is preposterous.

[The Moors of Fire]

If you think about it, can't physics be considered a god, although not a sapient one? Physical laws in a way created the universe, and they control how the world works.

The laws of physics are just defined observations of consecutively occurring reactions.

They didn't create anything.

The universe wouldn't even have been created by them. It just popped into being.

I suppose that a better way to put that would have been "The laws of physics are the reason the universe came to be"