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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
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34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
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No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 10, 2013 10:24 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:If masturbating if more important to you than religion than you shouldn't. But if there is a god who doesn't want you to masturbate won't he pissed at you if it turns out he does exist?


A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.


It's almost like a bunch of pervy old men came up with God or something.

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Postby Obamas Country » Fri May 10, 2013 10:24 am

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Obamas Country wrote:It's not supposed to be easy to believe in God.


It's easier to come up with more believable horseshit than that.

Am I smarter than God because I actually think things through?

I would also like to know where the fuck you get this crap from.

If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence

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Postby Obamas Country » Fri May 10, 2013 10:25 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.


It's almost like a bunch of pervy old men came up with God or something.

Or God came up with the pervy old men

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Postby Jefferstown » Fri May 10, 2013 10:25 am

...you believe in a self-contradicting, personal supreme entity that rules your life, that loves you and cares for you deeply, yet is reluctant to show himself for no good reason...and expect me to believe that such a belief is in any way different from schizophrenia?


I believe in a personal supreme entity (if you want to call it that) that rules my life, loves me and cares for me deeply. Yes.

I do not believe in a God who is either "self-contradictory" or "reluctant to show himself for no good reason". It's difficult to know something as certainly as I know God and say that he is "reluctant to show himself". Ever hear that joke about the guy who was drowning and refused help from a boat and a helicopter, saying "no thank you, God will save me?" It works as a parable. That's why I love it. In any case, both of these claims are theological issues, which are not relevant to the question at hand ("Does God Exist?", if you've forgotten.)

As for schizophrenia - it's kind of silly to throw a word like that around when believers are the norm in society, and also kind of insulting if you know anyone who has ever actually suffered from schizophrenia.
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Postby Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 10:25 am

Koumakan Underground wrote:
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So according to you Gods always help?

It seems that your reading comprehension is somewhat... lacking. That is the exact opposite of what I was saying. They do not always help. We shouldn't expect them to. It'd be like expecting your teacher to give you all the answers on the test while you are taking the test.


Fine, because I give them my own personal present.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 10, 2013 10:25 am

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Oh great...not this bullshit again.

Atheists have no moral compass, atheists are the cause of all the suffering in the world blah blah blah...

So...ok...source for your assertions please.


Erm, the link. And also, high school world history. Maybe not American high school world history.

(EDIT) Also, in retrospect, 'blah blah blah' does not a response constitute. And I nowhere said that atheists cause all the suffering in the world. So either respond to my evidence (the numbers) with evidence, or getouttahere...


Fascism and nationalsocialism were not atheistic. All the contrary: both fascist regimes and Nazi Germany were strongly theistic.

Also...eugenics, and the fascist and nationalsocialist (mis)interpretation of Darwinian evolutionary theory, are not in any way correlated to atheism. Darwinian evolutionism is not a "book" of the athiest "bible". Atheism lacks a central dogma, unlike religion. There are no atheist commandments. There is no central, absolutist atheist myth of the creation of the universe. There are no atheist prophecies, or rituals.

Fascism is not secular, and if you knew anything of 20th century European and Latin American history (or at least, anything factual about it) you'd know full well that practically all fascist regimes were Catholic, either de jure or de facto. From Mussolini and Franco, to Pinochet and Videla.

Stalinism (and its Asian and Latin American variants), on the other hand, always involved a cult of personality surrounding the leader of the regime, and never was any of the crimes you accuse Stalinism of committed in the name of atheism. They were committed in the name of an ideology, one that is not inherently theistic or atheistic.

Stalinism and fascism are not secularistic ideologies. All the contrary: they imposed state religions, based on political leaders rather than unseen deities.

Also, please do yourself a favor and get rid of this bullshit claim:
So if any ideology is 'dangerous', it is atheism. Not because atheists are dangerous people, but because they believe in no one (but themselves and the Goddess Reason) hold to no creed (except to anathematize other creeds) and have no real basis for conducting themselves in a 'moral' fashion. And here's the proof of it.*


It's a claim so blatantly false and disgustingly inane that it barely deserves a proper response.

Since most crimes in the world are committed by theists rather than atheists, and since most nations with a large percentage of atheist citizens are not anarchic, impoverished, polluted bloodbaths...yeah, feel free to take that bullshit elsewhere, along with every single tired old talking point you've spewed.

Fucking disgraceful.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 am

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I'd be quite comfortable in saying that all the above is bollocks.

I like how you just dismiss those statements, instead of trying to find a way that they could be true. Such blatant dismissal and incurious attitudes seem to go against the very nature of science, which, in its most basic form, is the notion of questioning everything. We know how the universe was formed. But do we know why? Perhaps we can't explain it yet, but maybe one day in the future, we'll finally be able to comprehend the "why" using science.


Because we already know that the scenarios you posited are...well...bollocks.
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Postby Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 am

Obamas Country wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's easier to come up with more believable horseshit than that.

Am I smarter than God because I actually think things through?

I would also like to know where the fuck you get this crap from.

If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence

We can prove he doesn't exist.

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Postby Koumakan Underground » Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 am

Obamas Country wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's almost like a bunch of pervy old men came up with God or something.

Or God came up with the pervy old men

Or god is the pervy old man... wait, that sounds like Zeus.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 am

Obamas Country wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's easier to come up with more believable horseshit than that.

Am I smarter than God because I actually think things through?

I would also like to know where the fuck you get this crap from.

If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence


Then what good reason do we have for believing or worshipping or having faith in this alleged God?
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri May 10, 2013 10:27 am

Obamas Country wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's easier to come up with more believable horseshit than that.

Am I smarter than God because I actually think things through?

I would also like to know where the fuck you get this crap from.

If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence
Likewise, we are incapable of proving or disproving the existence of Bigfoot.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Fri May 10, 2013 10:28 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:If masturbating if more important to you than religion than you shouldn't. But if there is a god who doesn't want you to masturbate won't he pissed at you if it turns out he does exist?


A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.


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Postby Obamas Country » Fri May 10, 2013 10:28 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:If masturbating if more important to you than religion than you shouldn't. But if there is a god who doesn't want you to masturbate won't he pissed at you if it turns out he does exist?


A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.

But if an all powerfull being was pissed off at you wouldn't that be bad for you?

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Postby Councordia » Fri May 10, 2013 10:28 am

Koevoet wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:It's not supposed to be easy to believe in God.

And why should we believe in a God that doesn't allow me to masturbate?


Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.
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Postby Ainin » Fri May 10, 2013 10:28 am

Obamas Country wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's easier to come up with more believable horseshit than that.

Am I smarter than God because I actually think things through?

I would also like to know where the fuck you get this crap from.

If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence

If you don't have proof, we ain't believing your bullshit arguments.

Burden of Proof 101.
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Postby Koumakan Underground » Fri May 10, 2013 10:29 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Koumakan Underground wrote:I like how you just dismiss those statements, instead of trying to find a way that they could be true. Such blatant dismissal and incurious attitudes seem to go against the very nature of science, which, in its most basic form, is the notion of questioning everything. We know how the universe was formed. But do we know why? Perhaps we can't explain it yet, but maybe one day in the future, we'll finally be able to comprehend the "why" using science.


Because we already know that the scenarios you posited are...well...bollocks.

Oh? And have you done multiple, unbiased experiments that ended with the same, conclusive results to prove that? I would very much like to see the results of such experiments.
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Postby -CCCP- » Fri May 10, 2013 10:29 am

Why isn't "don't know" an option? I'm calling BS on this.

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Postby Obamas Country » Fri May 10, 2013 10:30 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence
Likewise, we are incapable of proving or disproving the existence of Bigfoot.

Exactly my point. That's why so many people don't believe in God

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Postby Mirage » Fri May 10, 2013 10:30 am

Obamas Country wrote:But if an all powerfull being was pissed off at you wouldn't that be bad for you?


Considering everything else, it won't be any worse.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 10, 2013 10:30 am

Kaizakhstan wrote:
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The Universe can come into existence without a sapient being causing it to exist. This has already been explained over and over by many physicists, including Stephen Hawkin.

The creation of the known Universe through the Big Bang was an unavoidable event, caused by the original anomaly that came before it and the laws of quantum physics that applied to it.

A sapient entity of any sort would have been redundant, since the conditions for the birth of our Universe were already set.

Okay, but what caused quantum physics, or has physics just always existed?
What if God is physics?


Disregarding the fact that your question is a, to put it bluntly, useless one...as far as we know, the laws of physics have always existed. If you, however, are willing to claim, despite no proof and with no actual rational basis, that any gap in scientific theory can only be explained through the faith in an illusive supreme entity...then you have quite the problem in your hands.

Also...if god were physics, then the Bible, and all related religious text, would be the greatest lie ever told. After all, physical laws, applied in our Universe, are quite hostile towards human life. Physical laws gave us a Universe where the odds are stacked against as, and where a plethora of phenomena are constantly trying to destroy our species (just like 99% of all the species that came before us).
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Postby Obamas Country » Fri May 10, 2013 10:31 am

Ainin wrote:
Obamas Country wrote:If you mean what proof do I have, I have none. No one can ever prove or disprove God's existence

If you don't have proof, we ain't believing your bullshit arguments.

Burden of Proof 101.

I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not trying to PROVE God's existence. I'm just trying to explain that you can't DISPROVE God's existence either.

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Fri May 10, 2013 10:31 am

Obamas Country wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.

But if an all powerfull being was pissed off at you wouldn't that be bad for you?


If you can't prove it exists and that the being is pissed about this thing there is no reason to believe it is and live your life according to that belief.

Ooops, Obamas Country, I've just got a message from my all powerful God - he's pissed off you're using a computer. Isn't that bad for you? Better chuck it in the bin and go live with some jolly Amish people.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri May 10, 2013 10:31 am

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
A God willing to pry into one's sexual life and then judge an individual on whether or not one masturbates is a being with a fundamentally unhealthy and almost voyeuristic mental state, and I wouldn't be too cross at such a fundamentally abhorrent being being pissed off at me.


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Postby Distruzio » Fri May 10, 2013 10:32 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:God exists. The proof is everywhere and everything.

There are scale replicas of all of the chickens in the world floating inside of Uranus. The proof is everywhere and everything.


That isn't a repudiation. It's an affirmation.
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Postby Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 10:32 am

Councordia wrote:
Koevoet wrote:And why should we believe in a God that doesn't allow me to masturbate?


Because the universe isn't about you, bro. Or me.

First of all, I'm not your bro.

And honestly, if God would exist, I wouldn't give a damn about him. I just love my right hand too much for that
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