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by Philitopia » Fri May 10, 2013 9:27 am

by Threlizdun » Fri May 10, 2013 9:30 am
Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.

by Koumakan Underground » Fri May 10, 2013 9:30 am
Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.

by Cosara » Fri May 10, 2013 9:31 am

by Cosara » Fri May 10, 2013 9:32 am
Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.

by Threlizdun » Fri May 10, 2013 9:33 am
Erm, no. We are pretty much beyond any doubt that the Big Bang occurred. Your god on the other hand lacks any evidence and fails to stand up to scrutiny.

by The Rich Port » Fri May 10, 2013 9:34 am
Cosara wrote:Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.
I'm putting this in my sig.

by Threlizdun » Fri May 10, 2013 9:34 am
Cosara wrote:Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.
I'm putting this in my sig.

by The Moors of Fire » Fri May 10, 2013 9:35 am

by Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri May 10, 2013 9:35 am

by The Rich Port » Fri May 10, 2013 9:37 am
Akkaga wrote:Quick question? Which God? Like I know we are not talking about Ra or Zeus, but what about Allah? Or other Gods? You have to be more specific. Like ask is the Catholic God real?

by Tsuntion » Fri May 10, 2013 9:38 am
Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Jumpin' on the SOURCE-TRAIN!
CHOO CHOO MUFUKA! We be ridin' the rails, checkin' the trails, you get nothin' and your argument fails!

by Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 9:38 am
Akkaga wrote:Quick question? Which God? Like I know we are not talking about Ra or Zeus, but what about Allah? Or other Gods? You have to be more specific. Like ask is the Catholic God real?

by The Moors of Fire » Fri May 10, 2013 9:38 am
The Rich Port wrote:Akkaga wrote:Quick question? Which God? Like I know we are not talking about Ra or Zeus, but what about Allah? Or other Gods? You have to be more specific. Like ask is the Catholic God real?
More rational Abrahamics would say it's the same thing, which it totally is.
IMO, the only gods that make any sense are the Hindu gods and the only one worthy of worship are any sun gods.

by Koumakan Underground » Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 am
Threlizdun wrote:Philitopia wrote:Science is the study of natural happening it is not meant for explaining of the super natural. Therefore god, science, and politics should not go together and will only start war if they do. If you cannot prove it, than prove it false, if you can not do that either than leave it alone.
Science explains the existence of the supernatural quite well, primarily that it doesn't exist.

by The Rich Port » Fri May 10, 2013 9:41 am
Koumakan Underground wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Science explains the existence of the supernatural quite well, primarily that it doesn't exist.
You can only prove that something doesn't exist when you have proven that everything else other than that something exists.
Science itself can explain everything, but as flawed humans, there are many things that science explains that humans cannot comprehend. The human brain, as amazing as it is, has not yet evolved the capability of understanding these things.
To put it simply, humanity thinks it can understand science, but it actually knows only a mere fraction of what is out there. Science can prove that the things that are "supernatural" do, in fact, exist, but humans cannot understand how it does so... yet.
Science is not flawed.
The human perceptions and interpretations of science are what is flawed.

by Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 9:42 am

by KARACKIBALISTAN » Fri May 10, 2013 9:43 am

by United Paradisia » Fri May 10, 2013 9:45 am

by Koevoet » Fri May 10, 2013 9:45 am
KARACKIBALISTAN wrote:Well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well...First of all, you have to read through any holy book before you can believe it is or isn't legitimate evidence.
Science...it is, overall, an idea, yes? You have to have an idea before you can prove it with facts. Religion is not so. God is not an idea, more of a literal being. Since He is willing to prevent evil, doesn't mean He isn't able; He gives us agency, not free agency, so that we can make choices to "prove" ourselves so that we can enter the Celestial Kingdom. I'm gonna preach a bit here, I'm LDS(Mormon) and we believe that God has three distinct kingdoms of heaven: Celestial, Terrestrial, and Tellestial. There is also an Outer Darkness where Satan and his followers dwell in the infernal pit. I believe the the Outer Darkness is hell, basically it's obvious by its description. Now...God is able to do "anything" according to His own laws. It's like, as an example, if a cop arrested himself because he committed a crime he was supposed to enforce. The police have to follow the laws they enforce, do they not? God has laws that He made that he follows. He's willing to help us, we just have to ask. I learned, that there are two P's and an F: pray, ponder, and have faith. You do all three, and I promise, whether you're religious or don't believe in God, If you pray, ponder what you want to know, and have faith that He will give you an answer (it might not be right away) that you'll know the truth about God. Like the famous scripture that the Prophet Joseph Smith read when he was 14 years old, which was James 1:5 f any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. I promise that God will give you an answer to your prayers if you follow the two P's and one F. i challenge all people, not just religious, to attempt this on there own time.

by Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri May 10, 2013 9:45 am
KARACKIBALISTAN wrote:Well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well...First of all, you have to read through any holy book before you can believe it is or isn't legitimate evidence.
Science...it is, overall, an idea, yes? You have to have an idea before you can prove it with facts. Religion is not so. God is not an idea, more of a literal being. Since He is willing to prevent evil, doesn't mean He isn't able; He gives us agency, not free agency, so that we can make choices to "prove" ourselves so that we can enter the Celestial Kingdom. I'm gonna preach a bit here, I'm LDS(Mormon) and we believe that God has three distinct kingdoms of heaven: Celestial, Terrestrial, and Tellestial. There is also an Outer Darkness where Satan and his followers dwell in the infernal pit. I believe the the Outer Darkness is hell, basically it's obvious by its description. Now...God is able to do "anything" according to His own laws. It's like, as an example, if a cop arrested himself because he committed a crime he was supposed to enforce. The police have to follow the laws they enforce, do they not? God has laws that He made that he follows. He's willing to help us, we just have to ask. I learned, that there are two P's and an F: pray, ponder, and have faith. You do all three, and I promise, whether you're religious or don't believe in God, If you pray, ponder what you want to know, and have faith that He will give you an answer (it might not be right away) that you'll know the truth about God. Like the famous scripture that the Prophet Joseph Smith read when he was 14 years old, which was James 1:5 f any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. I promise that God will give you an answer to your prayers if you follow the two P's and one F. i challenge all people, not just religious, to attempt this on there own time.


by Koumakan Underground » Fri May 10, 2013 9:46 am
The Rich Port wrote:Akkaga wrote:Quick question? Which God? Like I know we are not talking about Ra or Zeus, but what about Allah? Or other Gods? You have to be more specific. Like ask is the Catholic God real?
More rational Abrahamics would say it's the same thing, which it totally is.
IMO, the only gods that make any sense are the Hindu gods and the only one worthy of worship are any sun gods.

by Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Fri May 10, 2013 9:46 am
The Rich Port wrote:Koumakan Underground wrote:You can only prove that something doesn't exist when you have proven that everything else other than that something exists.
Science itself can explain everything, but as flawed humans, there are many things that science explains that humans cannot comprehend. The human brain, as amazing as it is, has not yet evolved the capability of understanding these things.
To put it simply, humanity thinks it can understand science, but it actually knows only a mere fraction of what is out there. Science can prove that the things that are "supernatural" do, in fact, exist, but humans cannot understand how it does so... yet.
Science is not flawed.
The human perceptions and interpretations of science are what is flawed.
Very true.
Like intelligent design.
Huge flaw of understanding right there.
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