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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
405
34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
8%
No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
91
8%
 
Total votes : 1195

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:51 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Seems like avoiding the questions to me.
If these questions are so simple, answer them.

Which questions?

"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:52 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Which questions?

"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"

Oh, you want me to define God?

How about Mirriam Webster?

capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
4
: a powerful ruler
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 2:52 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Which questions?

"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"


The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.

Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:54 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Conscentia wrote:"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"

The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.
Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.

How could I show that god exists if I didn't know what god is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:55 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.
Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.

How could I prove that cups exist if I didn't know what cups are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

Jesus, you really just don't get it, do you? Are you just attempting to make me angry with shitty debating?
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sat May 25, 2013 2:56 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Conscentia wrote:"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"


The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.

Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.


Now, is that supposed to be psychological or spiritual?
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:57 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:How could I show that god exists if I didn't know what god is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

Jesus, you really just don't get it, do you? Are you just attempting to make me angry with shitty debating?

Please clarify the problem, Joe.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:59 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Jesus, you really just don't get it, do you? Are you just attempting to make me angry with shitty debating?

Please clarify the problem, Joe.

I fucking defined God for you. We cannot show it to be real, so we assume it to be false until we prove it otherwise. Therefore, God is almost certainly not real.

Your infantile semantics are terrible.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 3:02 pm

Fruition wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.

Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.


Now, is that supposed to be psychological or spiritual?


Mental, which encompasses the philosophical and psychological concepts of god.

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:The definition of god is irrelevant in the context of whether or not it exists.
Yes, it exists as a concept, but not physically.

How could I show that god exists if I didn't know what god is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism


I get your point, but it wouldn't matter either way if it doesn't exist.

Can you explain to me the logic of believing something exists when it doesn't?

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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sat May 25, 2013 3:04 pm

Mental, which encompasses the philosophical and psychological concepts of god.


So, psychological, in general...
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 3:07 pm

Fruition wrote:
Mental, which encompasses the philosophical and psychological concepts of god.


So, psychological, in general...


Not entirely.

I'm not sure I could call God a part of your psyche... Except maybe when people do in fact believe in a God.

But there are people who don't who understand and can materialize in their minds the concept of a god and, as such, can discuss it in terms of philosophy.

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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sat May 25, 2013 3:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Fruition wrote:
So, psychological, in general...


Not entirely.

I'm not sure I could call God a part of your psyche... Except maybe when people do in fact believe in a God.

But there are people who don't who understand and can materialize in their minds the concept of a god and, as such, can discuss it in terms of philosophy.


Concept of god materialized is idolatry, which is opposed by religions as a sign of sin, corruption, or whatever you might call it.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 3:11 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Please clarify the problem, Joe.

I fucking defined God for you. We cannot show it to be real, so we assume it to be false until we prove it otherwise. Therefore, God is almost certainly not real.
Your infantile semantics are terrible.

Calm down.

My apologies, I didn't notice thy post.
I shall respond to it here:
Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:"Define X" is a direction form an the interrogative "What is the definition of X?"

Oh, you want me to define God?

How about Mirriam Webster?

capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
4
: a powerful ruler

1. a. Is Thor not a god? He didn't create the universe, nor does he rule it, yet he is often referred as a god. And many pagan religions teach that several gods created the universe, not all of them rulers of the universe.
Is Zeus not a god? He's not perfect, nor creator of the universe, yet he is the ruler of the other gods.

2. What of the gods that do not require human worship? And surely these powers would be natural if they actually existed?

3. Define "supreme value".

4. *Prays to Julius Caesar*
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 3:12 pm

Fruition wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Not entirely.

I'm not sure I could call God a part of your psyche... Except maybe when people do in fact believe in a God.

But there are people who don't who understand and can materialize in their minds the concept of a god and, as such, can discuss it in terms of philosophy.


Concept of god materialized is idolatry, which is opposed by religions as a sign of sin, corruption, or whatever you might call it.


... Don't... Care?

As I'm sure everyone else who has philosophical discussions doesn't care.

... Why should they or I care?

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 3:14 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Conscentia wrote:How could I show that god exists if I didn't know what god is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

I get your point, but it wouldn't matter either way if it doesn't exist.
Can you explain to me the logic of believing something exists when it doesn't?

One cannot believe in something if one doesn't understand what you are referring to when refer to that thing.
However, if you were define that thing, then it would become possible to search for evidence that would make it rational to believe in that thing.

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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 3:17 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:I get your point, but it wouldn't matter either way if it doesn't exist.
Can you explain to me the logic of believing something exists when it doesn't?

One cannot believe in something if one doesn't understand what you are referring to when refer to that thing.
However, if you were define that thing, then it would become possible to search for evidence that would make it rational to believe in that thing.


Good point.

If nobody believed God existed, we wouldn't be having this stupid discussion and the world just might be a better place.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 3:23 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Conscentia wrote:One cannot believe in something if one doesn't understand what you are referring to when refer to that thing.
However, if you were define that thing, then it would become possible to search for evidence that would make it rational to believe in that thing.

Good point.
If nobody believed God existed, we wouldn't be having this stupid discussion and the world just might be a better place.

But then there'd be no jokes making fun of god(s)/jokes relying on god(s).
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sat May 25, 2013 4:04 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Good point.
If nobody believed God existed, we wouldn't be having this stupid discussion and the world just might be a better place.

But then there'd be no jokes making fun of god(s)/jokes relying on god(s).


Why would you make fun of him? He can always make fun of you, although he doesn't.
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Postby Rotburg » Sat May 25, 2013 4:06 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Good point.
If nobody believed God existed, we wouldn't be having this stupid discussion and the world just might be a better place.

But then there'd be no jokes making fun of god(s)/jokes relying on god(s).


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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat May 25, 2013 5:34 pm

Fruition wrote:
Conscentia wrote:But then there'd be no jokes making fun of god(s)/jokes relying on god(s).


Why would you make fun of him? He can always make fun of you, although he doesn't.

Really?

"So get this, I put this flap of skin on their penis, and now I'm going to tell them to cut it off."

Sounds like a joke to me.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat May 25, 2013 5:35 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Fruition wrote:
Why would you make fun of him? He can always make fun of you, although he doesn't.

Really?

"So get this, I put this flap of skin on their penis, and now I'm going to tell them to cut it off."

Sounds like a joke to me.

Or, "Hey, watch this, I'm going to make the organ they urinate with the one they have sex with." And all the Angels are like, "Duuude!"
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 5:35 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Fruition wrote:
Why would you make fun of him? He can always make fun of you, although he doesn't.

Really?

"So get this, I put this flap of skin on their penis, and now I'm going to tell them to cut it off."

Sounds like a joke to me.

Or:

I made pig edible and I told them not to eat it!
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat May 25, 2013 5:37 pm

Menassa wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Really?

"So get this, I put this flap of skin on their penis, and now I'm going to tell them to cut it off."

Sounds like a joke to me.

Or:

I made pig edible and I told them not to eat it!

Not only edible, delicious. Edible, delicious and you can use all of it except the oink, but not for you! *maniacal laughter*
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 5:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Or:

I made pig edible and I told them not to eat it!

Not only edible, delicious. Edible, delicious and you can use all of it except the oink, but not for you! *maniacal laughter*

Gooooood!

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