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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
405
34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
8%
No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
91
8%
 
Total votes : 1195

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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 1:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:It generally takes the side of those with the facts.

I feel an article that is supposed to relay information should not be taking sides at all.


... It can't really help that it's full of facts.

The truth doesn't take sides.

In fact, I'm pretty sure there are no sides in truth since the truth is pretty objective.

And the truth is, there's no evidence God exists.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 1:41 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Menassa wrote:I feel an article that is supposed to relay information should not be taking sides at all.

... It can't really help that it's full of facts.
The truth doesn't take sides.
In fact, I'm pretty sure there are no sides in truth since the truth is pretty objective.
And the truth is, there's no evidence God exists.

And that Judaism evolved from Canaanite paganism.

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 1:45 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... It can't really help that it's full of facts.
The truth doesn't take sides.
In fact, I'm pretty sure there are no sides in truth since the truth is pretty objective.
And the truth is, there's no evidence God exists.

And that Judaism evolved from Canaanite paganism.

Which evolved from Monotheism.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 1:49 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:And that Judaism evolved from Canaanite paganism.

Which evolved from Monotheism.


... Which influenced... Canaanite Neopaganism?

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 1:50 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Menassa wrote:Which evolved from Monotheism.


... Which influenced... Canaanite Neopaganism?

Which brings us back to the creation of the world....
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."


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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 1:54 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Which evolved from Monotheism.

Er, what? No - monotheism evolved from polytheism via monolateralism.

And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Sociobiology » Sat May 25, 2013 1:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:the translations I used

Source


http://jss.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/1/25.full.pdf
And you can access the text here http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/project although their translation is a bit inconsistent.

Sociobiology wrote:
highly relevant because you are arguing for one interpretation as correct without any reason to prefer that interpretation.

There is a reason.... do you know what the English Term, Majestic Plural is?
The Royal 'we?'

now demonstrate its use in Hebrew, then demonstrate that is one of the was El is used.
Then demonstrate we should prefer that translation in this context.


and still no answer as to why the qualifier “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).
there is no reason to have than unless you are expecting and accepting the worship of other gods.
It makes complete sense when you know the history of the region, it was chocked full of tribal gods and gods of individual things.
Hell Mesopotamia alone had thousands of gods.
Yahweh being just one of many sons of El.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sat May 25, 2013 1:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er, what? No - monotheism evolved from polytheism via monolateralism.

And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

no it evolved from shamanism.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat May 25, 2013 1:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er, what? No - monotheism evolved from polytheism via monolateralism.

And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

No it didn't, that's nonsense.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:30 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er, what? No - monotheism evolved from polytheism via monolateralism.

And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

See their responses:
Genivaria wrote:
Menassa wrote:And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

No it didn't, that's nonsense.
Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

no it evolved from shamanism.

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Postby Troll Alliance » Sat May 25, 2013 2:34 pm

No theres no proof he is real.
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Postby Venaleria » Sat May 25, 2013 2:37 pm

I don't believe in God in the exact physical sense, but he is here in "spirit" to guide us through life. Without something like a God to look up or forward to, I would feel pretty empty and hopeless. :)
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat May 25, 2013 2:39 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er, what? No - monotheism evolved from polytheism via monolateralism.

And polytheism evolved from Monotheism.

No.
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Postby Troll Alliance » Sat May 25, 2013 2:40 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Troll Alliance wrote:No theres no proof he is real.

Define god. Define real.


God a super natural power. real



Actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed: "Julius Caesar was a real person".
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:41 pm

Troll Alliance wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Define god. Define real.

God a super natural power. real something that actually exists

· Define "supernatural power".
· Existence is defined as the state of being real, thus not a definition of real. Try again.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:41 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Troll Alliance wrote:No theres no proof he is real.

Define god. Define real.

"The train will be late."

LOL DEFINE TRAIN CUZ I THINK SUMTIMES BUSES CAN BE CALED TRAINS AN ALSO LATE CUZ A WIZERD ARIVES WEN HE MEENS TO! LOLOLOLOLOL
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:43 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Define god. Define real.

"The train will be late."
LOL DEFINE TRAIN CUZ I THINK SUMTIMES BUSES CAN BE CALED TRAINS AN ALSO LATE CUZ A WIZERD ARIVES WEN HE MEENS TO! LOLOLOLOLOL

Actually, the concept of "train" is quite clear.

How about you post something useful, rather than mocking thy fellow posters?
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:46 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:"The train will be late."
LOL DEFINE TRAIN CUZ I THINK SUMTIMES BUSES CAN BE CALED TRAINS AN ALSO LATE CUZ A WIZERD ARIVES WEN HE MEENS TO! LOLOLOLOLOL

Actually, the concept of "train" is quite clear.

How about you post something useful, rather than mocking thy fellow posters?

Playing with definitions is a good way to show how shitty one is at actually arguing and thinking.

I thought mocking you was valuable. It sure put a wrench in your "LOL DEFNITIONS" argument.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:48 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Actually, the concept of "train" is quite clear.
How about you post something useful, rather than mocking thy fellow posters?

Playing with definitions is a good way to show how shitty one is at actually arguing and thinking.
I thought mocking you was valuable. It sure put a wrench in your "LOL DEFNITIONS" argument.

Seems like avoiding the questions to me.
If these questions are so simple, answer them.

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 2:48 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:Source


http://jss.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/1/25.full.pdf
And you can access the text here http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/project although their translation is a bit inconsistent.

although their translation is a bit inconsistent.
You heard it here first folks.


Sociobiology wrote:highly relevant because you are arguing for one interpretation as correct without any reason to prefer that interpretation.
There is a reason.... do you know what the English Term, Majestic Plural is?
The Royal 'we?'
now demonstrate its use in Hebrew, then demonstrate that is one of the was El is used.
Then demonstrate we should prefer that translation in this context.


and still no answer as to why the qualifier “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).
there is no reason to have than unless you are expecting and accepting the worship of other gods.
It makes complete sense when you know the history of the region, it was chocked full of tribal gods and gods of individual things.
Hell Mesopotamia alone had thousands of gods.
Yahweh being just one of many sons of El.
Religious Diversity in Ancient Israel and Judah
edited by Francesca Stavrakopoulou, John Barton

You don't seem to understand that the language of the Bible is different from our language today in 2013.

"No Gods before me."
Do not believe in any other 'God' Higher than me... of course you say: "This means they're polytheistic! He's saying worship other Gods, just not higher than him!"

Then you would look to the rest of the Bible... were Idol worship is condemned and the stories where Israel worships "That which their fathers have not known." and they are punished for it.
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Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 2:48 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Actually, the concept of "train" is quite clear.

How about you post something useful, rather than mocking thy fellow posters?

Playing with definitions is a good way to show how shitty one is at actually arguing and thinking.

I thought mocking you was valuable. It sure put a wrench in your "LOL DEFNITIONS" argument.


Also known as semantics.

Conscentia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... It can't really help that it's full of facts.
The truth doesn't take sides.
In fact, I'm pretty sure there are no sides in truth since the truth is pretty objective.
And the truth is, there's no evidence God exists.

And that Judaism evolved from Canaanite paganism.


Ah, my mistake. I thought you guys were talking about the thread's actual topic.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 25, 2013 2:49 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Playing with definitions is a good way to show how shitty one is at actually arguing and thinking.
I thought mocking you was valuable. It sure put a wrench in your "LOL DEFNITIONS" argument.

Seems like avoiding the questions to me.
If these questions are so simple, answer them.

Which questions?
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