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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
405
34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
8%
No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
91
8%
 
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 10:45 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:That video makes me laugh.... every time.

Why?

Because it assumes: Different names=Different Gods.

If it would walk into most synagogues and ask some one: "Why does God have so many different names."

The Answer would most likely be: "They are each showing his attributes, Adonai shows his Lordship, Elohim shows his divine Judgement etc."
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Postby Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia » Sat May 25, 2013 10:45 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:because we were dangerously derailing another thread for the last 15 pages...

Do you believe that a God exists?


When the word "God" is clearly defined, no.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 10:51 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Why?

Because it assumes: Different names=Different Gods.

If it would walk into most synagogues and ask some one: "Why does God have so many different names."

The Answer would most likely be: "They are each showing his attributes, Adonai shows his Lordship, Elohim shows his divine Judgement etc."

Clearly you weren't listening properly when you watched it. The various Canaanite gods were different gods. They were decided to be synonyms later in history.
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Because it assumes: Different names=Different Gods.

If it would walk into most synagogues and ask some one: "Why does God have so many different names."

The Answer would most likely be: "They are each showing his attributes, Adonai shows his Lordship, Elohim shows his divine Judgement etc."

Clearly you weren't listening properly when you watched it. The various Canaanite gods were different gods. They were decided to be synonyms later in history.

So he's not saying the plurality for the Names of God shows plurality of Gods?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Clearly you weren't listening properly when you watched it. The various Canaanite gods were different gods. They were decided to be synonyms later in history.

So he's not saying the plurality for the Names of God shows plurality of Gods?

I do not recall him doing that at all.

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 10:56 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:So he's not saying the plurality for the Names of God shows plurality of Gods?

I do not recall him doing that at all.

That was my impression.

"We first see a God _____ who seems like a nice God."

"Then we see a God ____ who is a warlike God."

Really an entire pantheon is in The Bible!


Hmmm... I must have missed something.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Metaphysical Plains » Sat May 25, 2013 10:59 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I do not recall him doing that at all.

That was my impression.

"We first see a God _____ who seems like a nice God."

"Then we see a God ____ who is a warlike God."

Really an entire pantheon is in The Bible!


Hmmm... I must have missed something.

The History of God Atheism video??? yea its basically making that conclusion.

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 11:00 am

Metaphysical Plains wrote:
Menassa wrote:That was my impression.

"We first see a God _____ who seems like a nice God."

"Then we see a God ____ who is a warlike God."

Really an entire pantheon is in The Bible!


Hmmm... I must have missed something.

The History of God Atheism video??? yea its basically making that conclusion.

Which of course there is a simple answer too... but then again... we must take into account that it is a YouTube Video... which means we know little about the Author and what they've done as: "Research"
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:12 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I do not recall him doing that at all.

That was my impression.

"We first see a God _____ who seems like a nice God."

"Then we see a God ____ who is a warlike God."

Really an entire pantheon is in The Bible!


Hmmm... I must have missed something.

You got times for those quotes?

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 11:13 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:That was my impression.

"We first see a God _____ who seems like a nice God."

"Then we see a God ____ who is a warlike God."

Really an entire pantheon is in The Bible!


Hmmm... I must have missed something.

You got times for those quotes?

No....

It's more paraphrasing really to what I took away from the video.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:13 am

Menassa wrote:
Metaphysical Plains wrote:The History of God Atheism video??? yea its basically making that conclusion.

Which of course there is a simple answer too... but then again... we must take into account that it is a YouTube Video... which means we know little about the Author and what they've done as: "Research"

Well Wikipedia & it's sources certainly seems to support the video.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:15 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:You got times for those quotes?

No....
It's more paraphrasing really to what I took away from the video.

You seem to have taken the wrong thing.
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 11:17 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:No....
It's more paraphrasing really to what I took away from the video.

You seem to taken the wrong thing.

2 people taken away one thing verses one person taken away something else?

This may be a small 'appeal to numbers' or it may not be.

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Which of course there is a simple answer too... but then again... we must take into account that it is a YouTube Video... which means we know little about the Author and what they've done as: "Research"

Well Wikipedia & it's sources certainly seems to support the video.

Wikipedia only gives you answers... I was unaware it took sides.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Anvilonia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:17 am

There's no way to know, but even if the Christian God was the almighty God, I would not worship them.

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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 11:19 am

Anvilonia wrote:There's no way to know, but even if the Christian God was the almighty God, I would not worship them.

Well that certainly rules out.....

1/1000 Gods.
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat May 25, 2013 11:23 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:because we were dangerously derailing another thread for the last 15 pages...

Do you believe that a God exists?

I believe that there are no supernatural deities. Science has better explained away all the various things that theists claim to be evidence for their god. And furthermore, considering the immense human suffering that exists today, a god would either have to be malevolent or incompetent:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus

Furthermore, I simply feel that those making the claim that a god exists have the burden of proof on their shoulders to solidly prove that there is a god, before I would even consider believing in such a thing. I do not consider "the <insert holy book here> say so" to be legitimate evidence, because that begs the question: why is that holy book relevant?

This post will probably be expanded as I elaborate more on my beliefs.

Your thoughts?

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You can also use this thread to debate the merits of various religions, or religion in general.

Considering the fact that there exist absolutely no verifiable evidence that any deity exists, I see no reason to believe that any do.
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Postby Aukstralia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:32 am

I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.

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Postby Ainin » Sat May 25, 2013 11:33 am

Aukstralia wrote:I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.

Scientology? :meh:
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Postby Aequalitia » Sat May 25, 2013 11:34 am

Aukstralia wrote:I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.


Well, scientologist on the NS forums are rare, but less rare then deists...

Gosh, why does almost nobody on the world known deism :p
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat May 25, 2013 11:35 am

Ainin wrote:
Aukstralia wrote:I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.

Scientology? :meh:

He has three posts.

Do you really need anymore information?
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Postby Genivaria » Sat May 25, 2013 11:53 am

Aukstralia wrote:I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.

Oh you're going to be very amusing I can tell. :lol:
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat May 25, 2013 12:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Aukstralia wrote:I was raised a Christian, but I am now a Scientologist.

We definitely have a concept of God. This concept is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic.

Oh you're going to be very amusing I can tell. :lol:


Amusing, annoying, same thing, I suppose.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat May 25, 2013 1:08 pm

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Well Wikipedia & it's sources certainly seems to support the video.

Wikipedia only gives you answers... I was unaware it took sides.

It generally takes the side of those with the facts.
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Postby Menassa » Sat May 25, 2013 1:10 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Wikipedia only gives you answers... I was unaware it took sides.

It generally takes the side of those with the facts.

I feel an article that is supposed to relay information should not be taking sides at all.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
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"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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