Does God exist?

[Menassa]

As the Resurrection of Jesus... if I'm not inclined to believe the latter... I'm certainly not inclined to believe the former.

Your talking to a Atheist Its all horse shit, but people could at least get their mythology straight.

You believe all of it's horseshit.

I believe some of it's horseshit.

It's your Job to know the difference.

[ExistentialEnd]

C+ Thread, this has honestly been done to death

[Sociobiology]

Lucifer means day star or morning star
That passage is were the whole Lucifer is one name for the devil comes from.
that and the fact morning star was another name for Ashtar who was the ruler of the underworld in the original mythologies of Yahweh.

As Isaiah 14:4 reads: "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"
It's not talking about Satan at all.


Yes.. many mythologies include a 'morning star' Nebuchadnezzar was no exception for believing he was: The morning and the Evening star.

except he was never named as Nebuchadnezzar, not unless he is supposed to be several hundred years old.
And note I said that's were the connection came from, like the Columbus story, or a blonde Thor.

[Menassa]

As Isaiah 14:4 reads: "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"
It's not talking about Satan at all.


Yes.. many mythologies include a 'morning star' Nebuchadnezzar was no exception for believing he was: The morning and the Evening star.

except he was never named as Nebuchadnezzar, not unless he is supposed to be several hundred years old.
And note I said that's were the connection came from, like the Columbus story, or a blonde Thor.

As an Atheist... I thought you were aware of the Triple-Isaiah theory.

I of course believe there was only one Isaiah... being religious, because I believe in prophecy.

[Harrystan]

People who want proof that God exist have already lost the point. God doesn't want to just pop out of the sun and say "Here I am now that theres proof, believe." You have to trust in God and that he loves all of us.

[Sociobiology]

gods

Angels do God's bidding, God does God's bidding.

so demons are doing gods bidding,

It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!

and your point?

I was just simply informing you if you weren't aware how paganism is not tolerated in Old Testament Law and in Old Testament Narrative.[/quote]
Yet at the same times makes it clear there are other gods, just like the Greek gods who punished the worship of other gods in their territory.

[Menassa]

Angels do God's bidding, God does God's bidding.

so demons are doing gods bidding,

Are you calling angels demons? I'm not sure what you're trying to convey.

It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!

and your point?

I was just simply informing you if you weren't aware how paganism is not tolerated in Old Testament Law and in Old Testament Narrative.[/quote]

Yet at the same times makes it clear there are other gods, just like the Greek gods who punished the worship of other gods in their territory.

It makes this clear in the verse that are....

[Sociobiology]

except he was never named as Nebuchadnezzar, not unless he is supposed to be several hundred years old.
And note I said that's were the connection came from, like the Columbus story, or a blonde Thor.

As an Atheist... I thought you were aware of the Triple-Isaiah theory.

I of course believe there was only one Isaiah... being religious, because I believe in prophecy.

most of it is cobbled together just like out record for most mythologies because get written down late, you get stuff like Jesus's childhood were he uses his powers to cause mischief, which gets left out of later compilations, and Mary never actually being referred to as a virgin.

Just like Loki being portrayed as very honorable being in one story and a vicious murderer in another.

[Menassa]

As an Atheist... I thought you were aware of the Triple-Isaiah theory.

I of course believe there was only one Isaiah... being religious, because I believe in prophecy.

most of it is cobbled together just like out record for most mythologies because get written down late, you get stuff like Jesus's childhood were he uses his powers to cause mischief, which gets left out of later compilations, and Mary never actually being referred to as a virgin.

Just like Loki being portrayed as very honorable being in one story and a vicious murderer in another.

That is what you get when man writes stories... the Virgin Birth is only mentioned in two of the Gospels.

[Pratse]

Agnosticism? Semi-theism?

[Menassa]

Agnosticism? Semi-theism?

What?

[Pratse]

Agnosticism? Semi-theism?

What?

You heard (or in this case, read) me.

[Menassa]

What?

You heard (or in this case, read) me.

You gave theological options and put question marks after them.

Were you asking me if I was Agnostic or Semi-theistic?

[Pratse]

You heard (or in this case, read) me.

You gave theological options and put question marks after them.

Were you asking me if I was Agnostic or Semi-theistic?

Not you, someone else.

[Sociobiology]

so demons are doing gods bidding,

Are you calling angels demons? I'm not sure what you're trying to convey.

if only the devil can rebel then demons must be doing gods bidding.

It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!

and your point?

I was just simply informing you if you weren't aware how paganism is not tolerated in Old Testament Law and in Old Testament Narrative.[/quote]

Yet at the same times makes it clear there are other gods, just like the Greek gods who punished the worship of other gods in their territory.

It makes this clear in the verse that are....[/quote]
When Elyon divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam,
he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of the gods.
Yahweh’s portion was his people, [Israel] his allotted inheritance. (Deut. 32:8–9)

Then [Elohim] said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness” (Genesis 1:26).

[Elohim] stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment (Ps. 82:1).

All the gods bow down before [Jehovah] (Ps. 97:7).

Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you (Deut. 6:14)

But you must not turn away from all the commandments I am giving you today, to either the right or left, nor pursue other gods and worship them (Deut. 28:14–15).

and the classic
“You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).

and “I, Jehovah, your God, am a jealous God”
referring to the tribes, meaning other tribes have other gods.

It is quite easy to see the transition from polytheism from the oldest to the newest texts.

[Menassa]

You gave theological options and put question marks after them.

Were you asking me if I was Agnostic or Semi-theistic?

Not you, someone else.

Then why did you not quote them, and ask them?

[Pratse]

Not you, someone else.

Then why did you not quote them, and ask them?

Never mind

[Pratse]

Ooh....I remember who you are now! Mr. [...]! How has your day been?

[Sociobiology]

so demons are doing gods bidding,

Are you calling angels demons? I'm not sure what you're trying to convey.

if only the devil can rebel then demons must be doing gods bidding.

Yet at the same times makes it clear there are other gods, just like the Greek gods who punished the worship of other gods in their territory.

It makes this clear in the verse that are....

When Elyon divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam,
he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of the gods.
Yahweh’s portion was his people, [Israel] his allotted inheritance. (Deut. 32:8–9)

Then [Elohim] said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness” (Genesis 1:26).

[Elohim] stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment (Ps. 82:1).

All the gods bow down before [Jehovah] (Ps. 97:7).

Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you (Deut. 6:14)

But you must not turn away from all the commandments I am giving you today, to either the right or left, nor pursue other gods and worship them (Deut. 28:14–15).

and the classic
“You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).
and the other half a dozen times in exodus

And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.(Exodus 12:12)

Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? (Exodus 15:11)

Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.(Exodus 18:11)

and “I, Jehovah, your God, am a jealous God”
referring to the tribes, meaning other tribes have other gods.

It is quite easy to see the transition from polytheism from the oldest to the newest texts.

[Sociobiology]

most of it is cobbled together just like out record for most mythologies because get written down late, you get stuff like Jesus's childhood were he uses his powers to cause mischief, which gets left out of later compilations, and Mary never actually being referred to as a virgin.

Just like Loki being portrayed as very honorable being in one story and a vicious murderer in another.

That is what you get when man writes stories... the Virgin Birth is only mentioned in two of the Gospels.

except its not, in the original language she is only referred to as a young woman, it only became virgin through mistranslation.

[Metaphysical Plains]

That is what you get when man writes stories... the Virgin Birth is only mentioned in two of the Gospels.

except its not, in the original language she is only referred to as a young woman, it only became virgin through mistranslation.

Mary (Miriam) had taken a Chastity oath. We can assume she hadn't had sex leading up to that point.

[Sociobiology]

Your talking to a Atheist Its all horse shit, but people could at least get their mythology straight.

You believe all of it's horseshit.

I believe some of it's horseshit.

And you differentiate how?
because if the answer is evidence, then it all becomes horse shit again.

[Menassa]

Are you calling angels demons? I'm not sure what you're trying to convey.

if only the devil can rebel then demons must be doing gods bidding.

You've clearly missed the subtlety in that post... I'll make note of that.

When Elyon divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam,
he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of the gods.
Yahweh’s portion was his people, [Israel] his allotted inheritance. (Deut. 32:8–9)

בְּהַנְחֵל עֶלְיוֹן גּוֹיִם, בְּהַפְרִידוֹ בְּנֵי אָדָם; יַצֵּב גְּבֻלֹת עַמִּים, לְמִסְפַּר בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל. When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the borders of the peoples according to the number of the children of Israel.
כִּי חֵלֶק יְהוָה, עַמּוֹ: יַעֲקֹב, חֶבֶל נַחֲלָתוֹ. For the portion of the LORD is His people, Jacob the lot of His inheritance.

Learn2masoretictext.

Then [Elohim] said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness” (Genesis 1:26).

Were you aware that Christians believe that his verse refers to the Trinity?
Eeegads!

[Elohim] stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment (Ps. 82:1).

. A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge. א. מִזְמוֹר לְאָסָף אֱלֹהִים נִצָּב בַּעֲדַת אֵל בְּקֶרֶב אֱלֹהִים יִשְׁפֹּט:
I'm seriously doubting your Biblical Hebrew skills.

For further reading:

Rashi: God stands in the congregation of God: to see whether they [the judges] judge fairly, and you judges, how long will you judge unjustly?

All the gods bow down before [Jehovah] (Ps. 97:7).

The Talmud teaches us dear friend, when a heretic brings a verse before you the answer is usually around that verse.

Psalm 97:7 All worshippers of graven images will be ashamed,

Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you (Deut. 6:14)

But you must not turn away from all the commandments I am giving you today, to either the right or left, nor pursue other gods and worship them (Deut. 28:14–15).

and the classic
“You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3).

and “I, Jehovah, your God, am a jealous God”
referring to the tribes, meaning other tribes have other gods.

You as an Atheist do not believe God exists....

According to your logic (in saying that those verses prove paganism) that God does indeed exist... you just don't believe that he exists.

I don't believe in unicorns.

Aha so unicorns exist! You just don't believe in them.

I don't believe in Multiple Gods

Ahah! So multiple Gods exist... you just don't believe in them!

[Menassa]

That is what you get when man writes stories... the Virgin Birth is only mentioned in two of the Gospels.

except its not, in the original language she is only referred to as a young woman, it only became virgin through mistranslation.

I'm going to assume

(although please try and be coherent in your next post)

That you're talking about Isaiah 7:14.... Isaiah 7:14... is not talking about Mary at all... you see how the word is: 'The' a definite article... meaning that the Woman is known to both the prophet Isaiah and who he was speaking too.

You believe all of it's horseshit.

I believe some of it's horseshit.

And you differentiate how?
because if the answer is evidence, then it all becomes horse shit again.

A Jew believes in the Miracles attributed to Moses.
A Christian believes in the Miracles attributed to Moses and Jesus.
A Muslim believes in the Miracles attributed to Moses and Jesus and Muhammad.

Do you see the connection?

(although I shouldn't say 'miracles' because Deuteronomy 13 tells us false prophets will preform miracles.)

[Sociobiology]

except its not, in the original language she is only referred to as a young woman, it only became virgin through mistranslation.

Mary (Miriam) had taken a Chastity oath.

were?

or do you mean the bit where she testifies?