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Does a God exist?

Yes, raised religious
405
34%
No, raised religious
341
29%
Yes, raised nonreligious
97
8%
No, raised nonreligious
261
22%
I believe in a different God than I was raised believing in
91
8%
 
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 7:11 am

The Rich Port wrote:Mental note, everyone: the Devil is never mentioned in the Bible, nor is he ever referred to as having rebelled against God.

Those are post-Christian machinations fabricated by the Church based off of what Jesus allegedly said about Hell, later cemented in popular culture by Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost.

actually it depends of who Lucifer is, because Lucifer is described as a fallen angle who rebelled against god in Isaiah.

even if Satan =/= Lucifer
Satan and a host of angles are cast out of heaven in revelations for starting a war in heaven.

Why is it an atheist knows more about the mythology than the Christians?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 24, 2013 7:18 am

Sociobiology wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Mental note, everyone: the Devil is never mentioned in the Bible, nor is he ever referred to as having rebelled against God.

Those are post-Christian machinations fabricated by the Church based off of what Jesus allegedly said about Hell, later cemented in popular culture by Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost.

actually it depends of who Lucifer is, because Lucifer is described as a fallen angle who rebelled against god in Isaiah.

even if Satan =/= Lucifer
Satan and a host of angles are cast out of heaven in revelations for starting a war in heaven.

Why is it an atheist knows more about the mythology than the Christians?

“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman
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Postby Czechanada » Fri May 24, 2013 7:21 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:actually it depends of who Lucifer is, because Lucifer is described as a fallen angle who rebelled against god in Isaiah.

even if Satan =/= Lucifer
Satan and a host of angles are cast out of heaven in revelations for starting a war in heaven.

Why is it an atheist knows more about the mythology than the Christians?

“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov


Silly Mav, that's why god sent down the Qur'an. :p
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 24, 2013 7:25 am

Czechanada wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov


Silly Mav, that's why god sent down the Qur'an. :p

"You ain't seen nothin' yet bitches!"
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 7:48 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Silly Mav, that's why god sent down the Qur'an. :p

"You ain't seen nothin' yet bitches!"

"I am not doctor Funkensien and the interns are not my bitches, And I will no jump on my desk and loudly proclaim this"
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I got quite annoyed after the Haiti earthquake. A baby was taken from the wreckage and people said it was a miracle. It would have been a miracle had God stopped the earthquake. More wonderful was that a load of evolved monkeys got together to save the life of a child that wasn't theirs. ~Terry Pratchett
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Postby Nunyabeez » Fri May 24, 2013 10:00 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:"You ain't seen nothin' yet bitches!"

"I am not doctor Funkensien and the interns are not my bitches, And I will no jump on my desk and loudly proclaim this"

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Postby Sidhae » Fri May 24, 2013 11:02 am

I always say that it's not God but his fan clubs that I have a problem with. Rather than joining one of them, or rejecting God altogether, I try to use my own judgement to understand him.

To me, God clearly exists as a universal force rather than a distinct being with a certain personality. God can take infinite forms and aspects to interact with his creation, but he never takes sides - he just keeps the balance. For every action, there is a proportionate reaction. For every right there is also a wrong, and vice versa.

I find the religious practices of elaborate rituals and prayers foolish. Not only the self-proclaimed believers attempt to persuade God in taking a side, they also expect God to solve their problems.

God has given Man control over the most advanced supercomputer in existence (brain), coupled with the most sophisticated precision manipulators (arms) and the most adaptible and universal propulsion system (legs) to date. More, he has given Man the power to decide how to use all these incredible tools, and it depends solely on Man whether he uses them for right, for wrong, or for nothing. To ask for anything more by praying to God is just insulting - it's like someone asked you to buy him a villa in Malibu after you have just given him a billion dollars - so unsurprisingly God leaves prayers unanswered. More precisely, he always answers them, but only rarely in the way that the praying Men expect him to.

Similarly, only fools believe that following certain instructions written by mortals for mortals will please God and give them a nice and cozy place in the afterlife. The afterlife is here - you have been given a mind and a pair of hands to improve your current world, not to idle them in hopes of getting to a better one after you die.

And likewise, only fools believe in the scriptures of mortals. That is why Man has been granted a strong mind and the power of reason - to use it, to use his own judgement trying to understand God rather than rely on the judgement of others. He who has others decide what is right and wrong for him is bound to become their slave.

That about sums up what I have come to know of God and faith. I don't believe in God - I know there is God, but he won't be doing anything in my stead, because he has already given me more than any mortal could ever give.
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 11:12 am

Sociobiology wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Mental note, everyone: the Devil is never mentioned in the Bible, nor is he ever referred to as having rebelled against God.

Those are post-Christian machinations fabricated by the Church based off of what Jesus allegedly said about Hell, later cemented in popular culture by Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost.
[...] because Lucifer is described as a fallen angle who rebelled against god in Isaiah.


No he's not... read Isaiah 14:4 before you read Isaiah 14:12
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 11:14 am

The Rich Port wrote:Mental note, everyone: the Devil is never mentioned in the Bible, nor is he ever referred to as having rebelled against God.

Those are post-Christian machinations fabricated by the Church based off of what Jesus allegedly said about Hell, later cemented in popular culture by Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost.

That was the Joke....
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Icirus » Fri May 24, 2013 11:31 am

This question is silly. That's like asking: What is the best leaf in autumn? It is something personal and something that can't be defied by anyone- untill proof.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 24, 2013 12:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Silly Mav, that's why god sent down the Qur'an. :p

"You ain't seen nothin' yet bitches!"


"You thought I was bad before? EAT THIS FUCKERS"
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 24, 2013 12:14 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:"You ain't seen nothin' yet bitches!"


"You thought I was bad before? EAT THIS FUCKERS"

I probably won't be able to think about God as nothing more than a 12 year old talking shit after obtaining a tactical nuke in Call of Duty.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 24, 2013 12:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
"You thought I was bad before? EAT THIS FUCKERS"

I probably won't be able to think about God as nothing more than a 12 year old talking shit after obtaining a tactical nuke in Call of Duty.


"MOAR LIKE CALL OF DOODY AMIRITE U GUYZ?!"

"I'm muting you, God"
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri May 24, 2013 12:17 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I probably won't be able to think about God as nothing more than a 12 year old talking shit after obtaining a tactical nuke in Call of Duty.


"MOAR LIKE CALL OF DOODY AMIRITE U GUYZ?!"

"I'm muting you, God"

Satan's facepalming.

Jesus is embarrassed of his out of touch dad.

Gabriel is regretting working for God because it means he has to invite Him to their lobbies.
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Postby Asmir » Fri May 24, 2013 6:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Asmir wrote:
that is not true at all. remember a third of the host of heaven rebelled against him. There are those that would deny him if they saw him.

Not that I disbelieve you, but can we have a source for that 1/3 rebelled?


Revelation 12:3-4,7-9
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 6:20 pm

Asmir wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Not that I disbelieve you, but can we have a source for that 1/3 rebelled?


Revelation 12:3-4,7-9

The book of revelations could claim that God doesn't exist... and it would have no affect on my belief.

A theme in the New Testament is that only the Devil can rebel against God... and who is the Devil?

John 8:44.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 7:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
Sociobiology wrote: [...] because Lucifer is described as a fallen angle who rebelled against god in Isaiah.


No he's not... read Isaiah 14:4 before you read Isaiah 14:12

nice to see you din't read the first part, of my statement, about who lucifer is not agreed upon.
Satan's fall is also mentioned in Luke
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 7:59 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:
No he's not... read Isaiah 14:4 before you read Isaiah 14:12

nice to see you din't read the first part, of my statement, about who lucifer is not agreed upon.
Satan's fall is also mentioned in Luke

As the Resurrection of Jesus... if I'm not inclined to believe the latter... I'm certainly not inclined to believe the former.

In Isaiah 14:12 the word isn't even Lucifer, a correct translation would be: Day-star...and that's who Nebuchadnezzar thought he was.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 7:59 pm

Menassa wrote:
Asmir wrote:
Revelation 12:3-4,7-9

The book of revelations could claim that God doesn't exist... and it would have no affect on my belief.

A theme in the New Testament is that only the Devil can rebel against God... and who is the Devil?

John 8:44.

so demons are doing his bidding then?

The old testament also makes it clear there are many gods.
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 8:01 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:The book of revelations could claim that God doesn't exist... and it would have no affect on my belief.

A theme in the New Testament is that only the Devil can rebel against God... and who is the Devil?

John 8:44.

so demons are doing his bidding then?

The old testament also makes it clear there are many gods.

Demons are doing the Devil's Bidding?

Where?

(waits for: "Let us make man.")

It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 8:08 pm

Menassa wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:nice to see you din't read the first part, of my statement, about who lucifer is not agreed upon.
Satan's fall is also mentioned in Luke

As the Resurrection of Jesus... if I'm not inclined to believe the latter... I'm certainly not inclined to believe the former.

In Isaiah 14:12 the word isn't even Lucifer, a correct translation would be: Day-star...and that's who Nebuchadnezzar thought he was.

Lucifer means day star or morning star
That passage is were the whole Lucifer is one name for the devil comes from.
that and the fact morning star was another name for Ashtar who was the ruler of the underworld in the original mythologies of Yahweh.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 8:09 pm

Menassa wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:so demons are doing his bidding then?

The old testament also makes it clear there are many gods.

Demons are doing the Devil's Bidding?

gods

It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!

and your point?
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 8:10 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:As the Resurrection of Jesus... if I'm not inclined to believe the latter... I'm certainly not inclined to believe the former.

In Isaiah 14:12 the word isn't even Lucifer, a correct translation would be: Day-star...and that's who Nebuchadnezzar thought he was.

Lucifer means day star or morning star
That passage is were the whole Lucifer is one name for the devil comes from.
that and the fact morning star was another name for Ashtar who was the ruler of the underworld in the original mythologies of Yahweh.

As Isaiah 14:4 reads: "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"
It's not talking about Satan at all.

Yes.. many mythologies include a 'morning star' Nebuchadnezzar was no exception for believing he was: The morning and the Evening star.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri May 24, 2013 8:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:nice to see you din't read the first part, of my statement, about who lucifer is not agreed upon.
Satan's fall is also mentioned in Luke

As the Resurrection of Jesus... if I'm not inclined to believe the latter... I'm certainly not inclined to believe the former.

Your talking to a Atheist Its all horse shit, but people could at least get their mythology straight.
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I got quite annoyed after the Haiti earthquake. A baby was taken from the wreckage and people said it was a miracle. It would have been a miracle had God stopped the earthquake. More wonderful was that a load of evolved monkeys got together to save the life of a child that wasn't theirs. ~Terry Pratchett
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Postby Menassa » Fri May 24, 2013 8:11 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Menassa wrote:Demons are doing the Devil's Bidding?

gods

Angels do God's bidding, God does God's bidding.

Sociobiology wrote:
It also makes sure to include that worshiping Idols is reprehensible.... with Laws and Stories!

and your point?

I was just simply informing you if you weren't aware how paganism is not tolerated in Old Testament Law and in Old Testament Narrative.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."
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