Benghazi hearing?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Also, there is a tremendous difference between a suicide bombing and a several hour long attack. One is nearly impossible to prevent, while the other can easily be repelled with proper security.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The first link is not an attack on a US embassy, it was an ambush in a hotel parking lot. The US has no sovereignty over the Marriot parking lot in Karachi. While a regrettable loss, there was nothing that could be done.

Second link, key word was local, again, no member of US foreign service lost.

Third link, again, not a single member of the US foreign service lost.

It is not the United States' responsibility to protect other country's citizens.

No, but it is their job to protect people working in their employ. Why wasn't there people demanding to know what intelligence State had on these attacks?

Was it because...oh wait...Republicans controlled the Intelligence Committee at that time?

Was it, perhaps, because Democrats didn't want to make political hay out of the death of Americans?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

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[The Emerald Dawn]

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What did they know, when did they know it. These are questions being asked constantly about Benghazi. Where was the outrage when these people died?

Why is it ok for them to just go "D'oh well, we couldn't help it. Derp-dee-doo." when they control the Executive, but not when Democrats do?

Intelligence foils bombing plots all the time. Where was it then? Why wasn't anyone making a deal about it, if Republicans are so hot and bothered by failures.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

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What did they know, when did they know it. These are questions being asked constantly about Benghazi. Where was the outrage when these people died?

Why is it ok for them to just go "D'oh well, we couldn't help it. Derp-dee-doo." when they control the Executive, but not when Democrats do?

Intelligence foils bombing plots all the time. Where was it then? Why wasn't anyone making a deal about it, if Republicans are so hot and bothered by failures.

Intelligence does not foil bombing plots all the time, if it did suicide bombings during the Iraq War would have been eradicated. This is no difference then those.

Are you telling me that when an Iraqi insurgent suicide bombed a convoy in Baghdad, it was because of a lack of security on behalf of a military convoy? or was it the result of a surprise attack launched from foreign soil?

Think long and hard. Military convoys have an assortment of armoured vehicles for protection, and yet suicide bombings still happened.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

And from your links, as soon as they knew it, it was published.

[The Emerald Dawn]

What did they know, when did they know it. These are questions being asked constantly about Benghazi. Where was the outrage when these people died?

Why is it ok for them to just go "D'oh well, we couldn't help it. Derp-dee-doo." when they control the Executive, but not when Democrats do?

Intelligence foils bombing plots all the time. Where was it then? Why wasn't anyone making a deal about it, if Republicans are so hot and bothered by failures.

Intelligence does not foil bombing plots all the time, if it did suicide bombings during the Iraq War would have been eradicated. This is no difference then those.

Are you telling me that when an Iraqi insurgent suicide bombed a convoy in Baghdad, it was because of a lack of security on behalf of a military convoy? or was it the result of a surprise attack launched from foreign soil?

Think long and hard. Military convoys have an assortment of armoured vehicles for protection, and yet suicide bombings still happened.

There's a difference between a warzone and a non-warzone. There's a massive difference, and it's telling that you don't believe there is.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

It is foreign soil either way, and the terrorists do not distinguish between a war zone and not a war zone, no matter how much you would like to believe they do.

[The Emerald Dawn]

It is foreign soil either way, and the terrorists do not distinguish between a war zone and not a war zone, no matter how much you would like to believe they do.

And there are differences between the two. It is, without a doubt, easier to bomb a convoy in a nation where 3/4ths of the area is not under government control. Where police and local military is non-existent. Where there is no domestic intelligence service.

Just because it isn't "America" doesn't mean it is all the same.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

It is foreign soil either way, and the terrorists do not distinguish between a war zone and not a war zone, no matter how much you would like to believe they do.

And there are differences between the two. It is, without a doubt, easier to bomb a convoy in a nation where 3/4ths of the area is not under government control. Where police and local military is non-existent. Where there is no domestic intelligence service.

Just because it isn't "America" doesn't mean it is all the same.

At what point was 3/4 of Baghdad under insurgent control? At the height of the bombing campaigns, there was very much an Iraqi military and police force, hell a majority of attacks were on police stations. And there was an enormous CIA presence in the region, so although the domestic intelligence service may not have been up to par, the CIA certainly was.

[Xsyne]

The first link is not an attack on a US embassy,

Neither was Benghazi.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

I feel like you just cant admit you were wrong, and are refusing to back down because of that.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

The first link is not an attack on a US embassy,

Neither was Benghazi.

It was a hotel parking lot, not a US diplomatic mission. Forgive me for my miswording.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I feel like you just cant admit you were wrong, and are refusing to back down because of that.

You really shouldn't talk about yourself. People will think you're crazy.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

I feel like you just cant admit you were wrong, and are refusing to back down because of that.

You really shouldn't talk about yourself. People will think you're crazy.

Then admit you have been wrong at least twice so far in this argument. That no US Foreign service personnel were ever killed in an attack on a diplomatic mission during the Bush administration, and that there were indeed other attacks on US missions during the Obama administration.

[The Emerald Dawn]

You really shouldn't talk about yourself. People will think you're crazy.

Then admit you have been wrong at least twice so far in this argument. That no US Foreign service personnel were ever killed in an attack on a diplomatic mission during the Bush administration, and that there were indeed other attacks on US missions during the Obama administration.

Why, on God's Green Earth, does it matter that they weren't members of the US Foreign service? They were in the employ of the US government. They were killed in attacks in by far more secure environments. And there were no investigations. There was no scrutiny to this degree. There were no witchhunts, no "told you so", no accusations of treason, malfeasance, or sloth. That's the entire fucking point I've been making.

You've been twisting the argument around trying to get it to be solely about your narrow perspective, not me.

[Conserative Morality]

Dude...did you read the article? or at least watch the nifty little video that came with it?? Those cuts were for domestic programs in the article you cited. Not for security of foreign service staff. Re read it, watch the little video there, and then come back.

Read the bill.

Read all three articles in context.

Come back when you're capable of doing that.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Then admit you have been wrong at least twice so far in this argument. That no US Foreign service personnel were ever killed in an attack on a diplomatic mission during the Bush administration, and that there were indeed other attacks on US missions during the Obama administration.

Why, on God's Green Earth, does it matter that they weren't members of the US Foreign service? They were in the employ of the US government. They were killed in attacks in by far more secure environments. And there were no investigations. There was no scrutiny to this degree. There were no witchhunts, no "told you so", no accusations of treason, malfeasance, or sloth. That's the entire fucking point I've been making.

You've been twisting the argument around trying to get it to be solely about your narrow perspective, not me.

It does matter. A member of the foreign service is afforded more privileges than your average person, and the vast, vast majority of those people were not even in the employ of the government, they were people on the street at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Let me ask you something, should the mayor of Boston be brought up on a hearing for the Marathon bombings?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Why, on God's Green Earth, does it matter that they weren't members of the US Foreign service? They were in the employ of the US government. They were killed in attacks in by far more secure environments. And there were no investigations. There was no scrutiny to this degree. There were no witchhunts, no "told you so", no accusations of treason, malfeasance, or sloth. That's the entire fucking point I've been making.

You've been twisting the argument around trying to get it to be solely about your narrow perspective, not me.

It does matter. A member of the foreign service is afforded more privileges than your average person, and the vast, vast majority of those people were not even in the employ of the government, they were people on the street at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Let me ask you something, should the mayor of Boston be brought up on a hearing for the Marathon bombings?

Let me ask you what I've been asking, and you've avoided answering.

Should there have been hearings and investigations into each of these incidents where someone in the employ of the US Government was killed?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

It does matter. A member of the foreign service is afforded more privileges than your average person, and the vast, vast majority of those people were not even in the employ of the government, they were people on the street at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Let me ask you something, should the mayor of Boston be brought up on a hearing for the Marathon bombings?

Let me ask you what I've been asking, and you've avoided answering.

Should there have been hearings and investigations into each of these incidents where someone in the employ of the US Government was killed?

No. For the exact same reason that the mayor of Boston should not be brought to a hearing for the Marathon bombings.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Let me ask you what I've been asking, and you've avoided answering.

Should there have been hearings and investigations into each of these incidents where someone in the employ of the US Government was killed?

No. For the exact same reason that the mayor of Boston should not be brought to a hearing for the Marathon bombings.

So you've admitted you don't care about failures unless they directly benefit the Republican party.

That's good. That's progress.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

What?? The mayor of Boston is a Democrat?? What are you talking about?

You think the mayor of Boston should be brought to a hearing?

[Alien Space Bats]

obama and the administration have repeatedly said al-queda is on the run and has diminshed capabilities, at this point that should be obviously false. so i will stand by what you call bullshit.

They are on the run and do have diminished capabilities. An armed attack on a consulate is nothing like the London tube attacks, or the Madrid rail bombings, or the Bali nightclub bombing, or the East Africa embassy bombings, or the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, or...

If you think al-Qaeda is as powerful as it was in 2009, you're dreaming.

fwiw i believe obama and bush shared the same view that if we only cut the head off, democracy peace and love will take over and the world will be a better safer and happier place

I see no evidence that either ever man believed such a thing.

[Wesley Custer Douglas]

Actually it is all the Top liberals are communist who worship Aleister Crowley who inspired L Ron Hubbard to create the satanic left wing new age scientology cult

I'm sorry, did you just throw 5 or so different bullshit conspiracy theories in a blender just to see what would happen? Please tell me it was that, because the alternative is that you actually believe that convoluted brain fart, and I really don't want to think that poorly of anyone.

I really believe that and its true, also these are not conspiracy theories the left wing communist control the Military industrial complex they violated the Souths States rights

[Fellrike]

You seem to have left out Ickes' reptilians! I'm sure you didn't mean to.