Benghazi hearing?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

How many embassies were attacked under Bush, how many of those resulted from the Democrats trying to cut support to programs that could have prevented those attacks? Yeah, this is a non-issue.

2002 US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, 10 were killed

2004 US embassy in Uzbekistan, 2 killed, 9 injured

2004 US Consulate in Saudi Arabia, 8 killed

2006 US Embassy in Syria, 1 killed

2007 US Embassy in Athens, 0 dead, 2 injured

2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire

2008, US Embassy in Yemen, 10 killed

In not one of those attacks was there either hours of mob violence, or any members of the US foreign service killed. Those killed were locals.

[Mike the Progressive]

Mutual gain is strong. Compromises are usually Democrats selling their souls, and Republicans giving up some pocket change.

I'm not saying that they're GOOD at compromise. Just that they've shown willingness TO compromise.

Honestly, I wish the Democrats would just learn to play dirty too. But I don't think you're going to get that with Pelosi or Hoyer.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The old trope is that Republicans march while Democrats herd. You'll see less of the "lockstep" now that the Tea Party and its offshoots have joined the monkey house.

Doesn't mean that getting all of the Democrats on board will be any less like herding cats, just that the Republicans will have similar problems.

Yeah I just wish that the Democrats didn't need the help...

It would indeed be lovely if all of the brands of progressive/liberalism came together to accomplish common good, but the issues faced by New York City aren't easily translated into gains in Los Angeles or Portland.

It's the lack of a unifying factor, I think.

[The Emerald Dawn]

2002 US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, 10 were killed

2004 US embassy in Uzbekistan, 2 killed, 9 injured

2004 US Consulate in Saudi Arabia, 8 killed

2006 US Embassy in Syria, 1 killed

2007 US Embassy in Athens, 0 dead, 2 injured

2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire

2008, US Embassy in Yemen, 10 killed

In not one of those attacks was there either hours of mob violence, or any members of the US foreign service killed. Those killed were locals.

Oh, so because it wasn't Americans dead, that's not a problem.

Good to know. That means you're one of those types.

[Fellrike]

But you've given YOUR evidence, from YOUR sources. My evidence is different, as it reinforces my own point of view. You won't accept mine, nor will I accept yours.
I think the root of this problem is, you think what you say is factual, and not mere opinion. But I think everything can be disputed, or almost everything. Politics isn't a science in the sense that math is a science. A lot of what we believe to be true depends on our perspective. You'll find, padawan, that many of the truths we believe in really depend on our point of view. Sorry. I couldn't help myself.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm not saying that they're GOOD at compromise. Just that they've shown willingness TO compromise.

Honestly, I wish the Democrats would just learn to play dirty too. But I don't think you're going to get that with Pelosi or Hoyer.

Do we want to win dirty?

I mean, play tough, yeah, but underhanded?

[The Emerald Dawn]

But you've given YOUR evidence, from YOUR sources. My evidence is different, as it reinforces my own point of view. You won't accept mine, nor will I accept yours.
I think the root of this problem is, you think what you say is factual, and not mere opinion. But I think everything can be disputed, or almost everything. Politics isn't a science in the sense that math is a science. A lot of what we believe to be true depends on our perspective. You'll find, padawan, that many of the truths we believe in really depend on our point of view. Sorry. I couldn't help myself.

Uh huh, you need to provide citations or evidence. Otherwise you're just talking to yourself.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

In not one of those attacks was there either hours of mob violence, or any members of the US foreign service killed. Those killed were locals.

Oh, so because it wasn't Americans dead, that's not a problem.

Good to know. That means you're one of those types.

Why should the US have any accountability for the deaths of non-US citizens??

[Mike the Progressive]

Honestly, I wish the Democrats would just learn to play dirty too. But I don't think you're going to get that with Pelosi or Hoyer.

Do we want to win dirty?

I mean, play tough, yeah, but underhanded?

You do understand you're talking to a guy with a Nixon flag, right?

[Fellrike]

But you've given YOUR evidence, from YOUR sources. My evidence is different, as it reinforces my own point of view. You won't accept mine, nor will I accept yours.
I think the root of this problem is, you think what you say is factual, and not mere opinion. But I think everything can be disputed, or almost everything. Politics isn't a science in the sense that math is a science. A lot of what we believe to be true depends on our perspective. You'll find, padawan, that many of the truths we believe in really depend on our point of view. Sorry. I couldn't help myself.

Uh huh, you need to provide citations or evidence. Otherwise you're just talking to yourself.

You have the tenacity of a terrier!

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oh, so because it wasn't Americans dead, that's not a problem.

Good to know. That means you're one of those types.

Why should the US have any accountability for the deaths of non-US citizens??

Because they happened in our Embassies, Consulates, and Liaison offices?

Christ, a person dies in your home and you just don't give a fuck? Nice humanity, bro.

[Hajaland]

Nope.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Do we want to win dirty?

I mean, play tough, yeah, but underhanded?

You do understand you're talking to a guy with a Nixon flag, right?

...Point.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Why should the US have any accountability for the deaths of non-US citizens??

Because they happened in our Embassies, Consulates, and Liaison offices?

Christ, a person dies in your home and you just don't give a fuck? Nice humanity, bro.

If someone blows up on my lawn and bystanders are injured in the street, yea I'll feel bad but how is their injury any fault of my own?

[Disserbia]

Yeah I just wish that the Democrats didn't need the help...

It would indeed be lovely if all of the brands of progressive/liberalism came together to accomplish common good, but the issues faced by New York City aren't easily translated into gains in Los Angeles or Portland.

It's the lack of a unifying factor, I think.

I don't know if its that or the fact that the democrats try so hard for consensus while being a giant rainbow umbrella. The problem with the two party system is that when one becomes unreasonable everyone flocks to the other and then you get people like regnum and I under the same roof as people like chor and thus there is no clear message and also the fact that congress is rigged for the minority party should their wanting to hinder the other party be their main platform.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because they happened in our Embassies, Consulates, and Liaison offices?

Christ, a person dies in your home and you just don't give a fuck? Nice humanity, bro.

If someone blows up on my lawn and bystanders are injured in the street, yea I'll feel bad but how is their injury any fault of my own?

Because your lawn isn't a target for terrorists, your lawn isn't protected by US Marines, and you don't set the budget.

The US Government, however, has all of those things.

[Disserbia]

Honestly, I wish the Democrats would just learn to play dirty too. But I don't think you're going to get that with Pelosi or Hoyer.

Do we want to win dirty?

I mean, play tough, yeah, but underhanded?

That's what politics has always been about is about ad will continue to be about...

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

If someone blows up on my lawn and bystanders are injured in the street, yea I'll feel bad but how is their injury any fault of my own?

Because your lawn isn't a target for terrorists, your lawn isn't protected by US Marines, and you don't set the budget.

The US Government, however, has all of those things.

How were they supposed to stop a guy exploding himself at their gates?? I honestly dont understand how you can blame those attacks on Bush??

And you were the one who brought up someone dying in my home I only altered it to better fit the reality of the situation

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because your lawn isn't a target for terrorists, your lawn isn't protected by US Marines, and you don't set the budget.

The US Government, however, has all of those things.

How were they supposed to stop a guy exploding himself at their gates?? I honestly dont understand how you can blame those attacks on Bush??

And you were the one who brought up someone dying in my home I only altered it to better fit the reality of the situation

Because all of those places are considered US territory.

Also, lives were lost under Bush, due to poor protections, an aura of US overbearing penis projection, and two wars marginalizing an entire area.

During the same period under Obama, there's been a grand total of Benghazi. There were THREE hearings on those diplomatic mission attacks under Bush.

There have been TWELVE on this ONE under Obama.

[Mike the Progressive]

Do we want to win dirty?

I mean, play tough, yeah, but underhanded?

That's what politics has always been about is about ad will continue to be about...

I dunno. On one hand I like to think of politics as a means to transform people's lives, from lowering the interest rates on student loans to offering tax breaks to low income earners to helping a family that doesn't have enough for medicine and food. Not to take care of people, but to help them.

On the other hand, how is this achieved? Through consensus and honesty? To an extent, sure, but also through fear-mongering, through playing dirty, by kicking you're opponent when they're up, and kicking them when they're down. And at the end of the day, when you look at yourself in the mirror, you know that all the sludge aside, you're doing it to make a difference. To make life greater for all, to do good.

For the greater good.

[Disserbia]

That's what politics has always been about is about ad will continue to be about...

I dunno. On one hand I like to think of politics as a means to transform people's lives, from lowering the interest rates on student loans to offering tax breaks to low income earners to helping a family that doesn't have enough for medicine and food. Not to take care of people, but to help them.

On the other hand, how is this achieved? Through consensus and honesty? To an extent, sure, but also through fear-mongering, through playing dirty, by kicking you're opponent when they're up, and kicking them when they're down. And at the end of the day, when you look at yourself in the mirror, you know that all the sludge aside, you're doing it to make a difference. To make life greater for all, to do good.

For the greater good.

I agree politics is always about the greater good, not doing what is right.

[Mike the Progressive]

I dunno. On one hand I like to think of politics as a means to transform people's lives, from lowering the interest rates on student loans to offering tax breaks to low income earners to helping a family that doesn't have enough for medicine and food. Not to take care of people, but to help them.

On the other hand, how is this achieved? Through consensus and honesty? To an extent, sure, but also through fear-mongering, through playing dirty, by kicking you're opponent when they're up, and kicking them when they're down. And at the end of the day, when you look at yourself in the mirror, you know that all the sludge aside, you're doing it to make a difference. To make life greater for all, to do good.

For the greater good.

I agree politics is always about the greater good, not doing what is right.

Exactly, and if some hookers have to die and some coke has to be snorted. So be it.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

How were they supposed to stop a guy exploding himself at their gates?? I honestly dont understand how you can blame those attacks on Bush??

And you were the one who brought up someone dying in my home I only altered it to better fit the reality of the situation

Because all of those places are considered US territory.

Also, lives were lost under Bush, due to poor protections, an aura of US overbearing penis projection, and two wars marginalizing an entire area.

During the same period under Obama, there's been a grand total of Benghazi. There were THREE hearings on those diplomatic mission attacks under Bush.

There have been TWELVE on this ONE under Obama.

Nothing you just said was true.

Not a single member of the US Foreign Service was killed in any embassy attacks during the Bush administration.. All the Embassy Security in the world will not stop a guy from blowing himself up in the street outside your embassy, where you have no authority, outside of the embassy is the responsibility of the host country, not one of those attacks was one on the scale of the Benghazi attack, and and there was not only one attack under Obama, stop informing yourself solely from the Daily Show.

Syria:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 48811.html

Bosnia:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world ... hpt=ieu_c2

Egypt:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19562688

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because all of those places are considered US territory.

Also, lives were lost under Bush, due to poor protections, an aura of US overbearing penis projection, and two wars marginalizing an entire area.

During the same period under Obama, there's been a grand total of Benghazi. There were THREE hearings on those diplomatic mission attacks under Bush.

There have been TWELVE on this ONE under Obama.

Nothing you just said was true.

Not a single member of the US Foreign Service was killed in any embassy attacks during the Bush administration.. All the Embassy Security in the world will not stop a guy from blowing himself up in the street outside your embassy, where you have no authority, outside of the embassy is the responsibility of the host country, not one of those attacks was one on the scale of the Benghazi attack, and and there was not only one attack under Obama, stop informing yourself solely from the Daily Show.

Syria:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 48811.html

Bosnia:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world ... hpt=ieu_c2

Egypt:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19562688

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/01/karachi.blast/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD

Pakistan blasts kill U.S. diplomat

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/06/jeddah.attack/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD

Five consular employees -- four local staff members and a contract guard -- were also killed. Four other local staff members were injured and recovering in hospitals, U.S. officials said.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/06/14/karachi.blast/index.html

...killing 10 people and wounding 51 others, authorities said. At least two of the victims were security guards, and everyone killed in the attack was Pakistani.

What did they know? Why didn't they have better security? Why were these attacks able to go off?

Better fucking yet:

Why weren't hearings held for EACH. FUCKING. ATTACK?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

The first link is not an attack on a US embassy, it was an ambush in a hotel parking lot. The US has no sovereignty over the Marriot parking lot in Karachi. While a regrettable loss, there was nothing that could be done.

Second link, key word was local, again, no member of US foreign service lost.

Third link, again, not a single member of the US foreign service lost.

It is not the United States' responsibility to protect other country's citizens.