Benghazi hearing?

[Ixzara]

And watch with morbid humor as Eisenhower is denounced as a socialist liberal who hates the armed forces.

My favorite still is the Southern Democrats opposed to integration calling him "Hitler" over the Little Rock Nine. As well all know, Hitler would have used the military to force the acceptance and equal treatment of blacks.

And Texas would have seceded. Lovely how predictable the Southern Strategy works.

[Edlichbury]

He's the founder and CEO of LION Associates, LLC, "an international consulting firm with unique global experience dealing with commercial and goverment policies and programs. Its efforts are primarily directed towards anti-terrorism, security services, defense procurement, foreign policy and security affairs, international marketing and trade/project development."

This is also not helping your case you know

You aren't seeing the obvious conflict of interest and possible bias in a man selling anti-terrorism equipment to governments stating that a government didn't use enough security?

[Farnhamia]

He's the founder and CEO of LION Associates, LLC, "an international consulting firm with unique global experience dealing with commercial and goverment policies and programs. Its efforts are primarily directed towards anti-terrorism, security services, defense procurement, foreign policy and security affairs, international marketing and trade/project development."

This is also not helping your case you know

Oh, I don't know. He's a businessman now, he hasn't held a command in 26 years.

[Wikkiwallana]

And watch with morbid humor as Eisenhower is denounced as a socialist liberal who hates the armed forces.

I'd like to see what they'd think if we brought Lincoln back. I'd like to bet that it wouldn't be a very happy family reunion.

He was a wrestler in his youth, it'd be fun to watch him beat the shit out of some of these idiots…

[Edlichbury]

My favorite still is the Southern Democrats opposed to integration calling him "Hitler" over the Little Rock Nine. As well all know, Hitler would have used the military to force the acceptance and equal treatment of blacks.

And Texas would have seceded. Lovely how predictable the Southern Strategy works.

It's sad that Republicans went from "Accept Civil Rights already you stupid Southerners!" to "Hey South, we also don't like minorities. Vote for us."

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Where is that part?

I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.

I also understand we had a C-130 gunship available, which would have quickly disposed of the terrorist attackers. This attack went on for seven hours. Our fighter jets could have been at our Benghazi mission within an hour. Our Special Forces out of Sigonella could have been there within a few hours. There is not any doubt that action on our part could have saved the lives of our two former Navy SEALs and possibly the ambassador.

"Could have" and "possibly" ... The Admiral doesn't know, he wasn't the loop, he's guessing. I suggest that the current people running the US military, who were in the loop, can judge the situation better than Admiral Lyons.

Am I missing the could have and possibly parts? I see a "would have wiped out" and a "not any doubt", where are you reading?

Also, that was one man, whom I cited because someone said the Admiral said no response could have saved the people in Benghazi, you guys pulled him in. Unfortunately for us all, the Defense Department is blocking the testimonies of both Adm. McRaven (which is an awesome name, if I do say so myself) and General Ham, Commander of USAfrican Command, so we can not actually know what the people who would have been "in the loop" actually knew.

Source: http://freebeacon.com/incommunicado/

[New England and The Maritimes]

You'd think this would have died out by now, I mean it was a pathetic swiftboat attempt that was conjured up just in time to give them hope in November.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

You'd think this would have died out by now, I mean it was a pathetic swiftboat attempt that was conjured up just in time to give them hope in November.

4 people died. Murder trials do not just go away, neither should this.

[New England and The Maritimes]

You'd think this would have died out by now, I mean it was a pathetic swiftboat attempt that was conjured up just in time to give them hope in November.

4 people died. Murder trials do not just go away, neither should this.

So were you as outraged when George W. Bush oversaw the deaths of 91 people in US Embassies that were attacked during his two terms?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

4 people died. Murder trials do not just go away, neither should this.

So were you as outraged when George W. Bush oversaw the deaths of 91 people in US Embassies that were attacked during his two terms?

This was already addressed. Those people died in a war.

And 91 people?? This number climbs each time it is posted.

[Ixzara]

Teapartiers just keep kicking the can on Benghazi because it satisfies their inherent need to find a reason to impeach the Ebul Muslum Ohbamuh.

[Edlichbury]

"Could have" and "possibly" ... The Admiral doesn't know, he wasn't the loop, he's guessing. I suggest that the current people running the US military, who were in the loop, can judge the situation better than Admiral Lyons.

Am I missing the could have and possibly parts? I see a "would have wiped out" and a "not any doubt", where are you reading?

Also, that was one man, whom I cited because someone said the Admiral said no response could have saved the people in Benghazi, you guys pulled him in. Unfortunately for us all, the Defense Department is blocking the testimonies of both Adm. McRaven (which is an awesome name, if I do say so myself) and General Ham, Commander of USAfrican Command, so we can not actually know what the people who would have been "in the loop" actually knew.

Source: http://freebeacon.com/incommunicado/

Tell me more about how this journalistic source that was founded little more than a year ago is the only correct publication, considering that their source literally was an aide to a representative on a committee and not anyone actually involved with the hearing.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Am I missing the could have and possibly parts? I see a "would have wiped out" and a "not any doubt", where are you reading?

Also, that was one man, whom I cited because someone said the Admiral said no response could have saved the people in Benghazi, you guys pulled him in. Unfortunately for us all, the Defense Department is blocking the testimonies of both Adm. McRaven (which is an awesome name, if I do say so myself) and General Ham, Commander of USAfrican Command, so we can not actually know what the people who would have been "in the loop" actually knew.

Source: http://freebeacon.com/incommunicado/

Tell me more about how this journalistic source that was founded little more than a year ago is the only correct publication, considering that their source literally was an aide to a representative on a committee and not anyone actually involved with the hearing.

Have you a better source providing a statement from either William McRaven or Carter Ham on the matter?

[Frisivisia]

This Benghazi Charade is a smear campaign aimed at the President and (hopefully) the next President.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

and Edlichbury, I am still awaiting my response to my aforementioned yes or no question....

[Wikkiwallana]

Tell me more about how this journalistic source that was founded little more than a year ago is the only correct publication, considering that their source literally was an aide to a representative on a committee and not anyone actually involved with the hearing.

Have you a better source providing a statement from either William McRaven or Carter Ham on the matter?

He doesn't need one to point out that hearsay is, in fact, hearsay.

[Edlichbury]

So were you as outraged when George W. Bush oversaw the deaths of 91 people in US Embassies that were attacked during his two terms?

This was already addressed. Those people died in a war.

And 91 people?? This number climbs each time it is posted.

False. Unless I missed Bush's wars in Yemen, Greece, Saudi Arabia, India, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Syria, and Turkey. Incidentally, no embassies were hit in Afghanistan and Iraq, the places we actually had wars in.

[Edlichbury]

Tell me more about how this journalistic source that was founded little more than a year ago is the only correct publication, considering that their source literally was an aide to a representative on a committee and not anyone actually involved with the hearing.

Have you a better source providing a statement from either William McRaven or Carter Ham on the matter?

“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
Washington Times.

[Arkinesia]

It is extremely dubious that any of this reached the presidents ear, let alone within the range he could take action, before this had escalated into what it did. Even if it came down to him which I mildly put it doubt, the machine would be more than adequate to cover it up.

It is far more likely however that Hillary would have had some say during this. And so far in the hearing it is obvious that they pulled the muslim video out from nowhere to fit some kind of narrative. Though Rice's timeline will have to be established to a more thorough degree as her reaction was what put the initial faleshood shitstorm into play which I very much doubt any of the ingelligence agencies would have forwarded her.

Democrats don't want to know because it embarrasses the party, Republicans want to know because it embarrasses the democrats. Some of the democrats have used their speaking time crying out about the horror of a comittee putting members of an administration under scruitiny as if it was anti-american, but the truth in this case deserves to be heard. Though my bet is that it will all be pinned on some minor players as the other side will not accept cosinsidence as an excuse, and the democrats are far too clever to present any major hopefuls in a negative light. So far no testimony has condemmed anyone, and unless there is a whistleblower which I doubt then it will be a long, long hearing that will please neither side.

More or less correct, but do bear in mind that the video narrative came from Langley, not the State Department.

Which in my opinion throws an entirely new wrinkle into the entire case that Republicans are afraid to deal with because it would be admitting that a DoD-connected agency dun fucked up.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

This was already addressed. Those people died in a war.

And 91 people?? This number climbs each time it is posted.

False. Unless I missed Bush's wars in Yemen, Greece, Saudi Arabia, India, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Syria, and Turkey. Incidentally, no embassies were hit in Afghanistan and Iraq, the places we actually had wars in.

You are kidding right? Like you didnt really say that right?

For one thing, look at how many of those killed were actually diplomatic staff, and how many were civilians of the country the embassy was in who were at the wrong place, wrong time. For another, I am assuming you got your information off of the wikipedia list of attacks on diplomatic missions. For another, there was never any attempt to cover it up, or pass the blame on some kind of fictional video. We got attacked, we said we got attacked, we moved on. There were no full scale mobs attacking the embassies that could have been fought off, there were suicide bombers.

Additionally, there were numerous attacks on the US diplomatic staff within the Baghdad Green Zone and elsewhere in Iraq. To deny that is kind of ridiculous

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

a list of US Foreign Service Personnel killled in the line of duty, for your consideration:

http://www.afsa.org/afsa_memorial_plaque_list.aspx

I see losses in both Iraq, and Afgahnistan, but none in those other places you mentioned.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Have you a better source providing a statement from either William McRaven or Carter Ham on the matter?

“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”
Washington Times.

This is not a quote from Gen. Ham, and is, as you were so quick to claim earlier, hearsay.

[Gauthier]

I'd like to see what they'd think if we brought Lincoln back. I'd like to bet that it wouldn't be a very happy family reunion.

He was a wrestler in his youth, it'd be fun to watch him beat the shit out of some of these idiots…

Abraham Lincoln coming back to find out the Republican Party has been taken over by bloodsuckers? Co-me-dy.

[Ixzara]

He was a wrestler in his youth, it'd be fun to watch him beat the shit out of some of these idiots…

Abraham Lincoln coming back to find out the Republican Party has been taken over by bloodsuckers? Co-me-dy.

If I had the knowledge, unlimited resources and equipment, I would build a time machine to make this happen.

[Mike the Progressive]

You'd think this would have died out by now, I mean it was a pathetic swiftboat attempt that was conjured up just in time to give them hope in November.

To be fair, Watergate happened in '72 and Nixon resigned in '74. So let's wait and see what happens next year. Maybe we'll get another deepthroat? A couple of eager reporters? White House tapes and missing minutes. Yadda , yadda yadda.