Benghazi hearing?

[Wesley Custer Douglas]

Well obviously because Tom Cruise destroyed the credibility of the program.

Scientology is a liberal conspiracy! I KNEW IT.

Actually it is all the Top liberals are communist who worship Aleister Crowley who inspired L Ron Hubbard to create the satanic left wing new age scientology cult

[Gauthier]

Yes the wonder of right wing cognitive dissonance. The left is simultaniously capable of elaborate conspiracies and utterly incapable of doing anything right at all.

We are all brilliant morons.

In our defense, some of us don't believe that the government is both incapable and a shadowy conspiracy. Generally, we don't get covered, but rational Republicans do exist.

But they're all too scared of getting primaried by Teabaggers.

[Edlichbury]

Considering he begins with a claim that "The Obama national security team, including CIA, DNI and the Pentagon, apparently watched and listened to the assault on the U.S. consulate and cries for help but did nothing," which already was proven categorically false, I highly doubt the legitimacy of his other arguments. He continues on with other falsehoods, such as claiming we had an overhead drone where we didn't. He even claims that despite, by his own admission, the CIA repeatedly making statements saying that they made no "stand down" order, someone in the CIA did and the entire agency is covering it up.

These do not sound like the claims by a fully objective, rational person. Why should we consider his other statements to be so?

Yes or no, you retract both previous claims that the

A) entire government besides Greg Hicks stands behind the theory that Benghazi could not have been helped

and

B) the admiral "admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens "

Why exactly? Every rational response, including that of Lyons, admits that no forces within the area could have saved Ambassador Stevens. Why does Greg Hicks opinion matter?

[Edlichbury]

In our defense, some of us don't believe that the government is both incapable and a shadowy conspiracy. Generally, we don't get covered, but rational Republicans do exist.

But they're all too scared of getting primaried by Teabaggers.

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Yes or no, you retract both previous claims that the

A) entire government besides Greg Hicks stands behind the theory that Benghazi could not have been helped

and

B) the admiral "admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens "

Why exactly? Every rational response, including that of Lyons, admits that no forces within the area could have saved Ambassador Stevens. Why does Greg Hicks opinion matter?

Allow me to reiterate my previously mentioned quote by Adm. Lyons.

""I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.""

[Ixzara]

But they're all too scared of getting primaried by Teabaggers.

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

I thought it was golden when the Teabaggers called for a boycott on Fox for being too liberal.

[Farnhamia]

But they're all too scared of getting primaried by Teabaggers.

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

You have to pay attention to them, because you have to drive them out. Let them go found their own party. The Republican Party used to be honorable, but since the rise of the Tea Party, I cannot use that word for them.

[Farnhamia]

Why exactly? Every rational response, including that of Lyons, admits that no forces within the area could have saved Ambassador Stevens. Why does Greg Hicks opinion matter?

Allow me to reiterate my previously mentioned quote by Adm. Lyons.

""I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.""

Admiral Lyons has been retired since 1987. I doubt he's been included in very many briefings lately.

[Gauthier]

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

You have to pay attention to them, because you have to drive them out. Let them go found their own party. The Republican Party used to be honorable, but since the rise of the Tea Party, I cannot use that word for them.

I've always said Teabaggers were like a bad science fiction movie. A weapon developed for the Republican Party that grew out of control.

[Edlichbury]

Why exactly? Every rational response, including that of Lyons, admits that no forces within the area could have saved Ambassador Stevens. Why does Greg Hicks opinion matter?

Allow me to reiterate my previously mentioned quote by Adm. Lyons.

""I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.""

And from literally the exact same article, he admitted he had no idea (or at the very least could not be certain) if help would have saved the Ambassador.

[Ixzara]

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

You have to pay attention to them, because you have to drive them out. Let them go found their own party. The Republican Party used to be honorable, but since the rise of the Tea Party, I cannot use that word for them.

That would arguably be the best option. But let's not forget that they have made it their own personal goal to "cleanse the heresy from the Republican party".

[Edlichbury]

Please don't remind me that Teabaggers still control my party. I've tried so hard to not pay attention to them.

You have to pay attention to them, because you have to drive them out. Let them go found their own party. The Republican Party used to be honorable, but since the rise of the Tea Party, I cannot use that word for them.

I wish we could just bring Eisenhower back and get him to take command of the Republicans.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Allow me to reiterate my previously mentioned quote by Adm. Lyons.

""I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.""

Admiral Lyons has been retired since 1987. I doubt he's been included in very many briefings lately.

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

[Gauthier]

You have to pay attention to them, because you have to drive them out. Let them go found their own party. The Republican Party used to be honorable, but since the rise of the Tea Party, I cannot use that word for them.

I wish we could just bring Eisenhower back and get him to take command of the Republicans.

And watch with morbid humor as Eisenhower is denounced as a socialist liberal who hates the armed forces.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Allow me to reiterate my previously mentioned quote by Adm. Lyons.

""I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.""

And from literally the exact same article, he admitted he had no idea (or at the very least could not be certain) if help would have saved the Ambassador.

Where is that part?

[Ixzara]

Admiral Lyons has been retired since 1987. I doubt he's been included in very many briefings lately.

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

Meh, we all know the UN is nothing more than a feel-good organization anyway.

[Gauthier]

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

Meh, we all know the UN is nothing more than a feel-good organization anyway.

Until we need to rubberstamp a war anyways.

[Ixzara]

I wish we could just bring Eisenhower back and get him to take command of the Republicans.

And watch with morbid humor as Eisenhower is denounced as a socialist liberal who hates the armed forces.

I'd like to see what they'd think if we brought Lincoln back. I'd like to bet that it wouldn't be a very happy family reunion.

[Farnhamia]

Admiral Lyons has been retired since 1987. I doubt he's been included in very many briefings lately.

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

He's the founder and CEO of LION Associates, LLC, "an international consulting firm with unique global experience dealing with commercial and goverment policies and programs. Its efforts are primarily directed towards anti-terrorism, security services, defense procurement, foreign policy and security affairs, international marketing and trade/project development."

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

He's the founder and CEO of LION Associates, LLC, "an international consulting firm with unique global experience dealing with commercial and goverment policies and programs. Its efforts are primarily directed towards anti-terrorism, security services, defense procurement, foreign policy and security affairs, international marketing and trade/project development."

http://www.aim.org/podcast/take-aim-adm ... mes-lyons/

[Wikkiwallana]

You have lists of all the members of the State Department serving overseas? Do show me.

You'd be amazed at the lists I have.

Okay, so fine, he was the deputy chief of the mission. I stand better informed.

Which reminds me, did you give my list to Santa? You said you'd drop if off the next time you saw him.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

I believe he maintains a position as a US military advisor to the United Nations.

He's the founder and CEO of LION Associates, LLC, "an international consulting firm with unique global experience dealing with commercial and goverment policies and programs. Its efforts are primarily directed towards anti-terrorism, security services, defense procurement, foreign policy and security affairs, international marketing and trade/project development."

This is also not helping your case you know

[Edlichbury]

I wish we could just bring Eisenhower back and get him to take command of the Republicans.

And watch with morbid humor as Eisenhower is denounced as a socialist liberal who hates the armed forces.

My favorite still is the Southern Democrats opposed to integration calling him "Hitler" over the Little Rock Nine. As well all know, Hitler would have used the military to force the acceptance and equal treatment of blacks.

[Farnhamia]

And from literally the exact same article, he admitted he had no idea (or at the very least could not be certain) if help would have saved the Ambassador.

Where is that part?

I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know.

I also understand we had a C-130 gunship available, which would have quickly disposed of the terrorist attackers. This attack went on for seven hours. Our fighter jets could have been at our Benghazi mission within an hour. Our Special Forces out of Sigonella could have been there within a few hours. There is not any doubt that action on our part could have saved the lives of our two former Navy SEALs and possibly the ambassador.

"Could have" and "possibly" ... The Admiral doesn't know, he wasn't the loop, he's guessing. I suggest that the current people running the US military, who were in the loop, can judge the situation better than Admiral Lyons.

[Wikkiwallana]

Scientology is a liberal conspiracy! I KNEW IT.

Actually it is all the Top liberals are communist who worship Aleister Crowley who inspired L Ron Hubbard to create the satanic left wing new age scientology cult

I'm sorry, did you just throw 5 or so different bullshit conspiracy theories in a blender just to see what would happen? Please tell me it was that, because the alternative is that you actually believe that convoluted brain fart, and I really don't want to think that poorly of anyone.