Benghazi hearing?

[Edlichbury]

Every government official involved sans Greg Hicks.

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

Countered with General Ham, the actual leader of the forces in the region stating it wouldn't have come in time. Lyons's article in The Washington Post actually admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens and contradicts statements made by the Secretary of Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and former General Petreaus.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

When did this Hicks person serve in Libya? The US had no diplomatic presence there from 1980 to 2004, when we set up an o ffice in the Belgian Embassy. We didn't resume full diplomatic relations until 2006.

What does that have to do with anything? The attack was in 2012, while he served as Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. I fail to see how Diplomatic relations in 2006 are relevant.

[Farnhamia]

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

Here's a chronology, you decide. Source for threats to "whistle blowers"?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

Countered with General Ham, the actual leader of the forces in the region stating it wouldn't have come in time. Lyons's article in The Washington Post actually admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens and contradicts statements made by the Secretary of Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and former General Petreaus.

Admiral James Lyons:

"I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know."

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

[Farnhamia]

When did this Hicks person serve in Libya? The US had no diplomatic presence there from 1980 to 2004, when we set up an o ffice in the Belgian Embassy. We didn't resume full diplomatic relations until 2006.

What does that have to do with anything? The attack was in 2012, while he served as Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. I fail to see how Diplomatic relations in 2006 are relevant.

I couldn't find him on any lists, is why.

[Edlichbury]

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

When the facts we are presented change our opinions, it isn't a sign of a vast conspiracy. It's a sign of rational people trying to provide the most plausible explanation. These whistleblowers are going to need a lot more than their statements considering we've already gone through three rounds of hearings. If the concrete evidence hasn't been presented by now, this conspiracy theory is simply another unsubstantiated theory.

[Farnhamia]

Countered with General Ham, the actual leader of the forces in the region stating it wouldn't have come in time. Lyons's article in The Washington Post actually admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens and contradicts statements made by the Secretary of Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and former General Petreaus.

Admiral James Lyons:

"I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know."

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

I'm sure the Admiral never made a judgement call that turned out to be wrong (assuming this even was).

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

What does that have to do with anything? The attack was in 2012, while he served as Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. I fail to see how Diplomatic relations in 2006 are relevant.

I couldn't find him on any lists, is why.

You have lists of all the members of the State Department serving overseas? Do show me.

[Zilam]

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

When did this Hicks person serve in Libya? The US had no diplomatic presence there from 1980 to 2004, when we set up an o ffice in the Belgian Embassy. We didn't resume full diplomatic relations until 2006.

http://iafsacoalition.com/bios_hicks.htm

He was there when the attack happened.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Admiral James Lyons:

"I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know."

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

I'm sure the Admiral never made a judgement call that turned out to be wrong (assuming this even was).

I'm sure your opinion surpasses that of a man who would personally know both the individual in question and the proper response to the given situation, as you too, are also a USN admiral.

[Gauthier]

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

When the facts we are presented change our opinions, it isn't a sign of a vast conspiracy. It's a sign of rational people trying to provide the most plausible explanation. These whistleblowers are going to need a lot more than their statements considering we've already gone through three rounds of hearings. If the concrete evidence hasn't been presented by now, this conspiracy theory is simply another unsubstantiated theory.

But there's no such thing as unsubstantiated in hopes of ousting the illegitimate Kenyan Muslim!

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

When did this Hicks person serve in Libya? The US had no diplomatic presence there from 1980 to 2004, when we set up an o ffice in the Belgian Embassy. We didn't resume full diplomatic relations until 2006.

http://iafsacoalition.com/bios_hicks.htm

He was there when the attack happened.

Thank you, I was looking for that page

[Farnhamia]

I couldn't find him on any lists, is why.

You have lists of all the members of the State Department serving overseas? Do show me.

You'd be amazed at the lists I have.

Okay, so fine, he was the deputy chief of the mission. I stand better informed.

[Ixzara]

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

When the facts we are presented change our opinions, it isn't a sign of a vast conspiracy. It's a sign of rational people trying to provide the most plausible explanation. These whistleblowers are going to need a lot more than their statements considering we've already gone through three rounds of hearings. If the concrete evidence hasn't been presented by now, this conspiracy theory is simply another unsubstantiated theory.

I honestly don't appreciate how Fox keeps on spinning this as though the whistleblowers' statements are going to shift the paradigm of the Benghazi Massacre Investigations.

[Neo Art]

Some people believe in a Benghazi conspiracy? What a pathetic waste of braincells.

[Gauthier]

Some people believe in a Benghazi conspiracy? What a pathetic waste of braincells.

They're hoping if they clap their hands and believe hard enough Obama will be impeached or resign.

[Edlichbury]

Countered with General Ham, the actual leader of the forces in the region stating it wouldn't have come in time. Lyons's article in The Washington Post actually admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens and contradicts statements made by the Secretary of Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and former General Petreaus.

Admiral James Lyons:

"I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know."

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

Considering he begins with a claim that "The Obama national security team, including CIA, DNI and the Pentagon, apparently watched and listened to the assault on the U.S. consulate and cries for help but did nothing," which already was proven categorically false, I highly doubt the legitimacy of his other arguments. He continues on with other falsehoods, such as claiming we had an overhead drone where we didn't. He even claims that despite, by his own admission, the CIA repeatedly making statements saying that they made no "stand down" order, someone in the CIA did and the entire agency is covering it up.

These do not sound like the claims by a fully objective, rational person. Why should we consider his other statements to be so?

[Ixzara]

Some people believe in a Benghazi conspiracy? What a pathetic waste of braincells.

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist nonsense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

[Gauthier]

Some people believe in a Benghazi conspiracy? What a pathetic waste of braincells.

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist nonsense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

People who insist government is incapable and demand you elect them to office to prove it.

[Farnhamia]

I'm sure the Admiral never made a judgement call that turned out to be wrong (assuming this even was).

I'm sure your opinion surpasses that of a man who would personally know both the individual in question and the proper response to the given situation, as you too, are also a USN admiral.

Merely pointing out that hindsight is 20/20.

[Ixzara]

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist nonsense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

People who insist government is incapable and demand you elect them to office to prove it.

You, sir and/or maddam, just blew my mind.

[Neo Art]

Some people believe in a Benghazi conspiracy? What a pathetic waste of braincells.

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist non-sense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

Yes the wonder of right wing cognitive dissonance. The left is simultaniously capable of elaborate conspiracies and utterly incapable of doing anything right at all.

We are all brilliant morons.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Admiral James Lyons:

"I know those Special Forces personnel were ready to leap at the opportunity. There is no doubt in my mind they would have wiped out the terrorists attackers. Also I have no doubt that Admiral William McRaven, Commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, would have had his local commander at Sigonella ready to launch; however, apparently he was countermanded—by whom? We need to know."

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

Considering he begins with a claim that "The Obama national security team, including CIA, DNI and the Pentagon, apparently watched and listened to the assault on the U.S. consulate and cries for help but did nothing," which already was proven categorically false, I highly doubt the legitimacy of his other arguments. He continues on with other falsehoods, such as claiming we had an overhead drone where we didn't. He even claims that despite, by his own admission, the CIA repeatedly making statements saying that they made no "stand down" order, someone in the CIA did and the entire agency is covering it up.

These do not sound like the claims by a fully objective, rational person. Why should we consider his other statements to be so?

Yes or no, you retract both previous claims that the

A) entire government besides Greg Hicks stands behind the theory that Benghazi could not have been helped

and

B) the admiral "admitted no response would have saved Ambassador Stevens "

[Edlichbury]

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist non-sense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

Yes the wonder of right wing cognitive dissonance. The left is simultaniously capable of elaborate conspiracies and utterly incapable of doing anything right at all.

We are all brilliant morons.

In our defense, some of us don't believe that the government is both incapable and a shadowy conspiracy. Generally, we don't get covered, but rational Republicans do exist.

[Gauthier]

I also love how the same people spouting this conspiracy theorist non-sense are the same people who consider the government too handicapped to even effectively use an "On" button.

Yes the wonder of right wing cognitive dissonance. The left is simultaniously capable of elaborate conspiracies and utterly incapable of doing anything right at all.

We are all brilliant morons.

And before the inevitable "The left said it about Bush too" counterattempt... Dick Cheney.