Benghazi hearing?

[Farnhamia]

Okay, so what? They were killed. The word hardly matters.

Those men were murdered. How can you dispute that? If I set your house on fire and you died of smoke inhalation, I would be able to get away?

Fine, they were murdered. What difference does the word make?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Greg Hicks has said repeatedly that a fighter response, which could have been scrambled but was not, could have certainly averted the mortar attack that killed the two men at the CIA annex.

Then let Greg Hicks prove it.

Thats kind of what we are all waiting for, isnt it?

[Edlichbury]

From all the sources I've found, the only forces told to stand down were those outside of Benghazi that wouldn't have made it before the first attack finished. And frankly, there was no reason to suspect a second round of attacks.

Greg Hicks has said repeatedly that a fighter response, which could have been scrambled but was not, could have certainly averted the mortar attack that killed the two men at the CIA annex.

And the rest of the government said it wouldn't. Now, please tell me why Greg Hicks's opinion should be placed at a higher level.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Those men were murdered. How can you dispute that? If I set your house on fire and you died of smoke inhalation, I would be able to get away?

Fine, they were murdered. What difference does the word make?

You tried to make it sound like it was all just some big accident or something when you made a point of saying those men were not slaughtered.

[Farnhamia]

Not releasing the diplomats into said well-armed mob?

How about sending people in to get them out of there? Sounds like a logical solution.

The consulate attack was over in half an hour, probably, that's why. The rescuers would have had to mount up, figure out a route, get there and drive away 150 attackers. By that time the Ambassador would have been dead anyway.

[Wikkiwallana]

Then let Greg Hicks prove it.

Thats kind of what we are all waiting for, isnt it?

Some of us are waiting, others seem to have made up their minds already.

[Gauthier]

So who here is bogarting Mike Huckabee's bong?

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Greg Hicks has said repeatedly that a fighter response, which could have been scrambled but was not, could have certainly averted the mortar attack that killed the two men at the CIA annex.

And the rest of the government said it wouldn't. Now, please tell me why Greg Hicks's opinion should be placed at a higher level.

Who said that?

[Farnhamia]

Fine, they were murdered. What difference does the word make?

You tried to make it sound like it was all just some big accident or something when you made a point of saying those men were not slaughtered.

"Slaughtered" and even "murdered" are emotionally charged words, but have it your way.

[Edlichbury]

Not releasing the diplomats into said well-armed mob?

How about sending people in to get them out of there? Sounds like a logical solution.

People that would have arrived to late to do anything? We've covered this: no forces were estimated to be within a proper response time. They went to a safe room to wait out as long as possible, but the fact is they had no method to wait for help to arrive without remaining somewhere within the compound.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Lets put George W. Bush on trial for the tens of thousands of Americans who died on his watch, while we're at it. Plus the thousands of coalition troops. Plus the hundreds of thousands of civilians.

[Edlichbury]

And the rest of the government said it wouldn't. Now, please tell me why Greg Hicks's opinion should be placed at a higher level.

Who said that?

Every government official involved sans Greg Hicks.

[Liriena]

A self-serving, shameless GOP circlejerk does not a trial make.

In a nutshell.

There are some dubious details surrounding Benghazi, but the GOP and Fox News have blown this tragedy out of proportion (not to mention with a baffling level of hypocricy on the side).

[Zilam]

But no seriously, I wouldn't say it's a coverup or a "watergate." Now if Bush was president, it would obviously be both.

Hardly, more than a dozen Americans died in the course of terrorist attacks on diplomatic missions over the course of Dubya's presidency and I don't recall that ever being the scandal of the week.

Is that the only defense you can give? "Oh, well Bush had more embassy people killed11!!1!"

How about the cover up? That is a betrayal of trust. They knew it was terrorism from the beginning, and they told their people to not call it that, because of the election.

That is why people are made, not that the attack happened, necessarily.

[Gauthier]

A self-serving, shameless GOP circlejerk does not a trial make.

In a nutshell.

There are some dubious details surrounding Benghazi, but the GOP and Fox News have blown this tragedy out of proportion (not to mention with a baffling level of hypocricy on the side).

And a few cracksmokers like Huckabee are calling it Obama's Watergate.

[Ixzara]

Hardly, more than a dozen Americans died in the course of terrorist attacks on diplomatic missions over the course of Dubya's presidency and I don't recall that ever being the scandal of the week.

Is that the only defense you can give? "Oh, well Bush had more embassy people killed11!!1!"

How about the cover up? That is a betrayal of trust. They knew it was terrorism from the beginning, and they told their people to not call it that, because of the election.

That is why people are made, not that the attack happened, necessarily.

Don't be starting any conspiracy theorist BS. That game can be played both ways and does not make for a logical argument.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Who said that?

Every government official involved sans Greg Hicks.

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

[Liriena]

In a nutshell.

There are some dubious details surrounding Benghazi, but the GOP and Fox News have blown this tragedy out of proportion (not to mention with a baffling level of hypocricy on the side).

And a few cracksmokers like Huckabee are calling it Obama's Watergate.

Which, of course, is unbelievably absurd. If anything...it's Obama's...well...first attack on a US embassy in four years...which is, really, kinda lame, if you compare it to his three past predecessors.

[Edlichbury]

Hardly, more than a dozen Americans died in the course of terrorist attacks on diplomatic missions over the course of Dubya's presidency and I don't recall that ever being the scandal of the week.

Is that the only defense you can give? "Oh, well Bush had more embassy people killed11!!1!"

How about the cover up? That is a betrayal of trust. They knew it was terrorism from the beginning, and they told their people to not call it that, because of the election.

That is why people are made, not that the attack happened, necessarily.

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

[Gauthier]

Is that the only defense you can give? "Oh, well Bush had more embassy people killed11!!1!"

How about the cover up? That is a betrayal of trust. They knew it was terrorism from the beginning, and they told their people to not call it that, because of the election.

That is why people are made, not that the attack happened, necessarily.

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Nevermind that leaving out mention of Al'Qaeda was done at the intelligence level as to not tip their hand so soon.

[Liriena]

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Nevermind that leaving out mention of Al'Qaeda was done at the intelligence level as to not tip their hand so soon.

Which is, of course...a rather sensible move.

[Farnhamia]

Every government official involved sans Greg Hicks.

There are tons of people saying that more security was asked for, and it was denied, and there are others, albeit less, who report that help could have arrived on time.

Andrew Wood - Former Head of US military team in Libya
Eric Nordstrom- Former security chief for U.S. diplomats in Libya
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.) - Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations
Gregory Hicks - Former top U.S. diplomat in Libya

To name only the ones off the top of my head, without actually digging into it. Come again?

When did this Hicks person serve in Libya? The US had no diplomatic presence there from 1980 to 2004, when we set up an o ffice in the Belgian Embassy. We didn't resume full diplomatic relations until 2006.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

And a few cracksmokers like Huckabee are calling it Obama's Watergate.

Which, of course, is unbelievably absurd. If anything...it's Obama's...well...first attack on a US embassy in four years...which is, really, kinda lame, if you compare it to his three past predecessors.

Incorrect.

There was a 2011 attack in Syria:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 48811.html

Another in Kabul:
http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/09 ... index.html

And another in Bosnia:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world ... hpt=ieu_c2

[Zilam]

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

[Gauthier]

What cover-up exactly? I must have missed that while listening to Obama quite clearly call it terrorism before the election.

Was that before or after it was because of a spontaneous rally that turned violent because of a video? I remember when that was sold. And then later it was changed to "oh, it wasn't because of the video. It was a planned attack, but we were going based on the intelligence". And now whistleblowers are saying that they knew it was an attack the entire time, and people were threatened to keep quiet.

Nothing is wrong with that?

Oh gee, was that before or after the mention of Al'Qaeda was left out at the intelligence level?