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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Incorrect. Yeshua gave a covenant to the Gentiles, and to the Jews who accepted it. The Jews have an everlasting covenant with G-d which is separate from the one Yeshua gave to the Gentiles.

Really? Then why did God tell Peter, a devout Jew, that he could eat that which was previously unclean?

because he followed Yeshua, just because he can, doesn't mean he should.
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Imperiatom
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:22 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Nothing is above judgment. Not even a megalomaniac with a superiority complex.

while that may be true, I just laugh at the fact that people think they can judge something that is perfect.


Clearly a being that has committed several genocides is not perfect. God does not even live up to his own rules. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:23 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:while that may be true, I just laugh at the fact that people think they can judge something that is perfect.


Clearly a being that has committed several genocides is not perfect. God does not even live up to his own rules. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you're applying human laws to G-d?
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4years
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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:23 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Clearly a being that has committed several genocides is not perfect. God does not even live up to his own rules. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you're applying human laws to G-d?


Why not?
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Imperiatom
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:25 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Clearly a being that has committed several genocides is not perfect. God does not even live up to his own rules. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you're applying human laws to G-d?


No just gods laws to god. You know the ones in that massive fictional bedtime storybook you read each night.
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Tlaceceyaya
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu May 09, 2013 6:25 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Clearly a being that has committed several genocides is not perfect. God does not even live up to his own rules. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

you're applying human laws to G-d?

Clearly he's above them.
Genocide? It's okay if god does it.
Infanticide? Fuck yeah! Good on ya, god!
Making virgins give birth to... yourself...? Score, god!
Flooding the earth to stop people from doing things rather than handling it like a mature person would? Fuck yes, god!
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:25 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Really? Then why did God tell Peter, a devout Jew, that he could eat that which was previously unclean?

because he followed Yeshua, just because he can, doesn't mean he should.

Irrelevent to the discussion. The covenent is the same.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:25 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:because he followed Yeshua, just because he can, doesn't mean he should.

Irrelevent to the discussion. The covenent is the same.

no its not.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:27 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Vazdania wrote:you're applying human laws to G-d?

Clearly he's above them.
Genocide? It's okay if god does it.
Infanticide? Fuck yeah! Good on ya, god!
Making virgins give birth to... yourself...? Score, god!
Flooding the earth to stop people from doing things rather than handling it like a mature person would? Fuck yes, god!


:lol2: :lol2:

Sexism, god loves a bit of that too. Racist too if one is a Jew.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 6:37 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So do I. I sent 21 dollars to the Human Right's Campaign two days ago.

:roll: we donate large sums.

I work minimum wage. :palm:
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :roll: we donate large sums.

I work minimum wage. :palm:

hows it feel to be one of the richest people in the world?
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Merriwhether
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Postby Merriwhether » Thu May 09, 2013 6:42 pm

I'd eradicate the rich. There are far fewer rich people in the world than poor, so not only would I be preserving the majority of the human race, thereby more manpower to keep global economies functioning with a working class, but the wealth of the eradicated upper-class men and women would go back into the poor community, eliminating poverty in that way.

Either way you go you're going to have a huge impact but think of it this way; Would capitalism function without its poor laborers? The rich people may still be around and poverty technically eliminated, but now where's the production going to come from? Economies will decline without a working force most of which was eradicated, like Paraguay after the War of the Triple Alliance in which 2/3 of the male population were killed. At least by eradicating the rich there's money to be had by the survivors who will contribute far more to the global economic recovery.

But that's just my take on it. I'm sure someone could come up with something to counter that. :)
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:44 pm

Merriwhether wrote:I'd eradicate the rich. There are far fewer rich people in the world than poor, so not only would I be preserving the majority of the human race, thereby more manpower to keep global economies functioning with a working class, but the wealth of the eradicated upper-class men and women would go back into the poor community, eliminating poverty in that way.

Either way you go you're going to have a huge impact but think of it this way; Would capitalism function without its poor laborers? The rich people may still be around and poverty technically eliminated, but now where's the production going to come from? Economies will decline without a working force most of which was eradicated, like Paraguay after the War of the Triple Alliance in which 2/3 of the male population were killed. At least by eradicating the rich there's money to be had by the survivors who will contribute far more to the global economic recovery.

But that's just my take on it. I'm sure someone could come up with something to counter that. :)

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 6:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I work minimum wage. :palm:

hows it feel to be one of the richest people in the world?

I'll let you know if I ever am one.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:hows it feel to be one of the richest people in the world?

I'll let you know if I ever am one.

you're probably within the 20% of the richest in the world if you live in America
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 7:00 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'll let you know if I ever am one.

you're probably within the 20% of the richest in the world if you live in America

Whatever you say.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 7:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:you're probably within the 20% of the richest in the world if you live in America

Whatever you say.

http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/why-give/how-rich-am-i

Just input a few numbers.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 09, 2013 7:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Whatever you say.

http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/why-give/how-rich-am-i

Just input a few numbers.


Dang. By myself I am the 2%, if added with my folks, I am the .1%!!!

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 7:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Whatever you say.

http://www.givingwhatwecan.org/why-give/how-rich-am-i

Just input a few numbers.

I see it doesn't take necessary spending into account.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 09, 2013 7:17 pm

Genivaria wrote:

I see it doesn't take necessary spending into account.


Even so, poverty in the United States is considerably better than most of the world.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 7:18 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:


Dang. By myself I am the 2%, if added with my folks, I am the .1%!!!

Well maybe we should just start taxing you at 75% because you owe the world ALL of your money.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 7:19 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I see it doesn't take necessary spending into account.


Even so, poverty in the United States is considerably better than most of the world.

Oh that I don't doubt, I just take issue with Vaz's 'we donate more' comment.
And his condescending tone for that matter.
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Postby Pravengria » Thu May 09, 2013 7:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Prove it.

the 613 Laws were specifically made for Jews and Jews alone. "Hear O Israel..." "Speak to the Children of Israel..." Gentiles couldn't keep the laws so there is no reason to assume that it applied to anyone other than Jews. The Gentiles had 7 laws to live by and that's it.


Course to through your rash argument away, as if you hadn't done so by yourself anyways.

Jesus....was a jew.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 7:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:

I see it doesn't take necessary spending into account.

doesn't matter, you don't think other's have necessary spending???
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 7:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Even so, poverty in the United States is considerably better than most of the world.

Oh that I don't doubt, I just take issue with Vaz's 'we donate more' comment.
And his condescending tone for that matter.

we donate more. Our donations are worth less than a person who can only donate a penny. No matter how much I donate, it worthless compared to the amount a poorer person donates.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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