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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:14 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Messianic Jews SHOULD follow the law, though their faith may not be the Rabbinic anymore, they have a responsibility because of their bloodline.

Again, not so. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say that Messianic Jews should follow anything the Gentiles do not have to. After-all that would defeat the purpose of Christianity would it not? That all peoples are equal inthe eyes of God? Why should he have any further expectations of the Jews than of the Gentiles?

I'm not saying they have to...I'm saying they should.

People are judged differently. G-d judges according to how you followed the law, belief in him, ect....

Because G-d has different covenants with different people.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 09, 2013 6:14 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Because religious belief is totally the same thing as religious extremism.

I am a religious extremist

My apologies. I am as well, but I believed he was implying that all religious people are extremist.
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu May 09, 2013 6:15 pm

I would kill the poor. If the whole world was rich, prosperity would ensue, there would be no poverty or homelessness, and the world would be able to devote more resources towards advancements in technology and the arts.
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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So do I. I sent 21 dollars to the Human Right's Campaign two days ago.

:roll: we donate large sums.

Did Jesus not say that those who work three hours will be paid the same wage as those who work for 8 hours in the Kingdom of Heaven?

You matierialist.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:15 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You judge G-d? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: *tears up from laughter*

Nothing is above judgment. Not even a megalomaniac with a superiority complex.

while that may be true, I just laugh at the fact that people think they can judge something that is perfect.
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :roll: we donate large sums.

Did Jesus not say that those who work three hours will be paid the same wage as those who work for 8 hours in the Kingdom of Heaven?

You matierialist.

Your donation is worth more you know.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Again, not so. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say that Messianic Jews should follow anything the Gentiles do not have to. After-all that would defeat the purpose of Christianity would it not? That all peoples are equal inthe eyes of God? Why should he have any further expectations of the Jews than of the Gentiles?

I'm not saying they have to...I'm saying they should.

People are judged differently. G-d judges according to how you followed the law, belief in him, ect....

Because G-d has different covenants with different people.


...Are you the one that derailed the topic?? Were you the start of this useless debate?
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Tyriece wrote:Forum on rich and the poor? FUCK THAT lets talk about god being not real/real!! ...

Yes, maybe we should move this discussion to a new topic.
Yes, you should learn how the Internet works.
Yes, you should stop trying to shut down debate on a DEBATE forum (you do this on every religion topic I see).
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:

You judge G-d? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: *tears up from laughter*


Of course I judge your fictional god. Non-critical except acceptance of anything never produces good results.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Nothing is above judgment. Not even a megalomaniac with a superiority complex.

while that may be true, I just laugh at the fact that people think they can judge something that is perfect.

God? Perfect?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Again, not so. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say that Messianic Jews should follow anything the Gentiles do not have to. After-all that would defeat the purpose of Christianity would it not? That all peoples are equal inthe eyes of God? Why should he have any further expectations of the Jews than of the Gentiles?

I'm not saying they have to...I'm saying they should.

People are judged differently. G-d judges according to how you followed the law, belief in him, ect....

Because G-d has different covenants with different people.

God has the same covenant with all people through Jesus.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Thu May 09, 2013 6:17 pm

The option that wouldn't collapse the global economy.

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Tyriece wrote:Forum on rich and the poor? FUCK THAT lets talk about god being not real/real!! ...

Yes, maybe we should move this discussion to a new topic.
Yes, you should learn how the Internet works.
Yes, you should stop trying to shut down debate on a DEBATE forum (you do this on every religion topic I see).


This is not a religion topic. Maybe it is you who needs to learn the internet...
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I'm not saying they have to...I'm saying they should.

People are judged differently. G-d judges according to how you followed the law, belief in him, ect....

Because G-d has different covenants with different people.


...Are you the one that derailed the topic?? Were you the start of this useless debate?

wherever I go, there is sure to be a religious debate to follow on NS....dunno why that happens...but it does.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Nothing is above judgment. Not even a megalomaniac with a superiority complex.

while that may be true, I just laugh at the fact that people think they can judge something that is perfect.

Nothing is perfect. Especially not your fictional god.
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"Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. "
-Rosa Luxemburg
"In place of bourgeois society with all of it's classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, one in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" -Karl Marx
There is no such thing as rational self interest; pure reason leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
...Are you the one that derailed the topic?? Were you the start of this useless debate?

wherever I go, there is sure to be a religious debate to follow on NS....dunno why that happens...but it does.


So it is you... :palm:
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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Did Jesus not say that those who work three hours will be paid the same wage as those who work for 8 hours in the Kingdom of Heaven?

You matierialist.

Your donation is worth more you know.

Perhaps it is. AsJesus said, the donation of a widow is far more valuable that the donation of a rich man.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Luveria wrote:The option that wouldn't collapse the global economy.


So your eliminating the rich?
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"Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. "
-Rosa Luxemburg
"In place of bourgeois society with all of it's classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, one in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" -Karl Marx
There is no such thing as rational self interest; pure reason leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I'm not saying they have to...I'm saying they should.

People are judged differently. G-d judges according to how you followed the law, belief in him, ect....

Because G-d has different covenants with different people.

God has the same covenant with all people through Jesus.

Incorrect. Yeshua gave a covenant to the Gentiles, and to the Jews who accepted it. The Jews have an everlasting covenant with G-d which is separate from the one Yeshua gave to the Gentiles.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Yes, maybe we should move this discussion to a new topic.
Yes, you should learn how the Internet works.
Yes, you should stop trying to shut down debate on a DEBATE forum (you do this on every religion topic I see).


This is not a religion topic. Maybe it is you who needs to learn the internet...

I wouldn't be saying this if I haven't repeatedly say the same things on topics that are specifically about religion.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:20 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Your donation is worth more you know.

Perhaps it is. AsJesus said, the donation of a widow is far more valuable that the donation of a rich man.

A person who has only enough to donate a penny, has given more than me giving 5000 dollars.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:20 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
This is not a religion topic. Maybe it is you who needs to learn the internet...

I wouldn't be saying this if I haven't repeatedly say the same things on topics that are specifically about religion.


So... you do understand the topic is not about religion? Good, moving on.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:

You judge G-d? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: *tears up from laughter*


Your the one in-league with a genocidal nutter. :rofl:

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:21 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I wouldn't be saying this if I haven't repeatedly say the same things on topics that are specifically about religion.


So... you do understand the topic is not about religion? Good, moving on.

I'll take back all the stuff I said if you stop trying to shut down debate on relevant topics.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:God has the same covenant with all people through Jesus.

Incorrect. Yeshua gave a covenant to the Gentiles, and to the Jews who accepted it. The Jews have an everlasting covenant with G-d which is separate from the one Yeshua gave to the Gentiles.

Really? Then why did God tell Peter, a devout Jew, that he could eat that which was previously unclean?
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This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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