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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

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Poor.
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Rational Wiki=super biased source that is totally fail.


A total fail that happens to be lifted straight out of the old testament. Unless you now think the old testament is lying?

the "Old Testament" as translated in the KJV is totally a fail, one today should really be using the Tanack.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Ok what is your favorite god smiting people story?

hmmm.....Lets see................... :o IVE GOT IT! THE FLOOD!


And why was that justified?

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:hmmm.....Lets see................... :o IVE GOT IT! THE FLOOD!


And why was that justified?

Why does the will of G-d need to be justified?
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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.

Therein lies the problem.


From experience, I can tell you that being poor enough not to pay taxes is no fun at all.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Therein lies the problem.

Yes, my moms side is mostly Native American, how horrible, it's actually epic.


And that effects your position on tax how exactly?

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:00 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...

When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.

When irreligion ceases to exist, I will stop.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:00 pm

4years wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Therein lies the problem.


From experience, I can tell you that being poor enough not to pay taxes is no fun at all.

Not from poverty. Because he's half native american or something like that.
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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:00 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
And why was that justified?

Why does the will of G-d need to be justified?


Because if it is not then you god has no more validity in imposing his will then I do my will or anyone else does their will.
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"In place of bourgeois society with all of it's classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, one in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" -Karl Marx
There is no such thing as rational self interest; pure reason leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:01 pm

Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...


Its the jew this time.

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Postby Shallowell » Thu May 09, 2013 6:01 pm

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I'd annihilate the poor, because I'd rather have me and my family stay alive.

Agreed. And also, the rich need to stay alive for they are the job creators, the cogs in the global economic machine. If those cogs simply dissapeared, then the machine would break.

And on the bright side, poverty will have been eradicated. Sounds heartless, but y'know.

All this.


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Postby 4years » Thu May 09, 2013 6:01 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
4years wrote:
From experience, I can tell you that being poor enough not to pay taxes is no fun at all.

Not from poverty. Because he's half native american or something like that.

Ah.
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"Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. "
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"In place of bourgeois society with all of it's classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, one in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" -Karl Marx
There is no such thing as rational self interest; pure reason leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:01 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...

When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.


And that's what the other said says to, making both your arguments, very pointless. Its like children fighting for the last word.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.


And that's what the other said says to, making both your arguments, very pointless. Its like children fighting for the last word.

^Enemy of free speech?
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...

Hardly. I'm merely discussing Biblical logic, not whether or not it applies outside of the Bible.

God is boring. Bible, though, is interesting.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
A total fail that happens to be lifted straight out of the old testament. Unless you now think the old testament is lying?

the "Old Testament" as translated in the KJV is totally a fail, one today should really be using the Tanack.


I expected nothing less from you. You religious folk are all the same.

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.


And that's what the other said says to, making both your arguments, very pointless. Its like children fighting for the last word.

Every single post I've ever seen from you has been complaining about people debating. This is a debate forum, why are you here?!!?
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 6:02 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.

When irreligion ceases to exist, I will stop.


You both have yet again proven my point of how pointless this argument is.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...


Its the jew this time.

What Jew?
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
And that's what the other said says to, making both your arguments, very pointless. Its like children fighting for the last word.

^Enemy of free speech?

He seems to think that there is something wrong with people debating here, on a fucking debate forum!
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, my moms side is mostly Native American, how horrible, it's actually epic.


And that effects your position on tax how exactly?

Native American's or people closely related to them don't have to pay most taxes, somehow it's the governments way of saying sorry.
Like, if I bought something from a store I'd pay taxes, but for most other things I wouldn't pay taxes when I turn 18
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:the "Old Testament" as translated in the KJV is totally a fail, one today should really be using the Tanack.


I expected nothing less from you. You religious folk are all the same.

you irreligious people are all the same. :eyebrow:
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Vazdania wrote:When irreligion ceases to exist, I will stop.


You both have yet again proven my point of how pointless this argument is.

This is a debate forum. Cut out the whining, it's fucking annoying.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 6:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
And why was that justified?

Why does the will of G-d need to be justified?


Because we are man and some of us have morality. We judge "god" accordingly for his genocidal tendencies.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 6:04 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:^Enemy of free speech?

He seems to think that there is something wrong with people debating here, on a fucking debate forum!

:lol2:

Anyways....
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 6:04 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:ew.

ew to existentialism.

Um, isn't existentialism the idea that the individual is the only one who gives 'meaning' to their own life?
What's wrong with that?
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