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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

Rich.
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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:51 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Please don't be pretentious with me.

Ok. Lets go to Acts 10, shall we? During this time, the Church was argueing amongst itself with other "Jewish Christians" about how Gentiles should follow the law, as Christianity was increasing in popularity, especially among Roman soldiers stationed around Israel. Peter has a vision in which God tells him that he has made clean was what previously unclean. And with this he first told a soldier named Cornelius that he tells the 'good news'. And that is why Christian no longer have to follow the law (or in that mindset, Gentile Jews no longer have to follow the law). They much merely fear Him and do what acceptable to Him.

It's not because of your semantics.

not trying to be pretentious T.T sorry.


"Gentile Jews?" there is no such thing as a Gentile Jew.

To any other Jewish person you would have been correct. However, that what they would have been known as to the Jews whom followed the Christ, because they themselves still considered themselves to be Jewish and not "Christian".
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:52 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Nihilism is disgusting. Existentialism for life!


Reality is disgusting? very interesting. I suppose this is where i rip your scripture to shreds for all its contradictions and the immorality of "god".

go ahead?
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 5:52 pm

New haven america wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Not really as i still pay your wages.

Not mine, I'm not able to get a job seeing as how I'm 3 months away from being able to get a job, and my mom was in the hospital for 2 months and can't work right now.


So we are paying for your benefits through our taxes. Like i said we pay your wages.

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Postby Myacumma » Thu May 09, 2013 5:52 pm

The poor. that way the rich would have more time to repent.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:52 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:not trying to be pretentious T.T sorry.


"Gentile Jews?" there is no such thing as a Gentile Jew.

To any other Jewish person you would have been correct. However, that what they would have been known as to the Jews whom followed the Christ, because they themselves still considered themselves to be Jewish and not "Christian".

Thats a Messianic Jew....Not a Gentile Jew.
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:To any other Jewish person you would have been correct. However, that what they would have been known as to the Jews whom followed the Christ, because they themselves still considered themselves to be Jewish and not "Christian".

Thats a Messianic Jew....Not a Gentile Jew.

Semantics. Then they were all called Messianic Jews. Still Jewish.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Reality is disgusting? very interesting. I suppose this is where i rip your scripture to shreds for all its contradictions and the immorality of "god".

go ahead?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_o ... ing_people

Contradictions:

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." -1 Kings 7 23
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Myacumma wrote:The poor. that way the rich would have more time to repent.

Repent for what?
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Thats a Messianic Jew....Not a Gentile Jew.

Semantics. Then they were all called Messianic Jews. Still Jewish.

Messianic Jews STILL need to follow the Law.
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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 5:55 pm

I would turn to the aliens and say none, we are all one rich or poor, good or bad. All life is equal for we share it.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:55 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:go ahead?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_o ... ing_people

Contradictions:

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." -1 Kings 7 23

Rational Wiki=super biased source that is totally fail.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu May 09, 2013 5:55 pm

And middle class people? :eyebrow:
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_o ... ing_people

Contradictions:

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." -1 Kings 7 23

Rational Wiki=super biased source that is totally fail.

How that article biased?
Last edited by Regnum Dominae on Thu May 09, 2013 5:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 5:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Reality is disgusting? very interesting. I suppose this is where i rip your scripture to shreds for all its contradictions and the immorality of "god".

go ahead?


Ok what is your favorite god smiting people story?

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 09, 2013 5:56 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
New haven america wrote:Not mine, I'm not able to get a job seeing as how I'm 3 months away from being able to get a job, and my mom was in the hospital for 2 months and can't work right now.


So we are paying for your benefits through our taxes. Like i said we pay your wages.

Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
So we are paying for your benefits through our taxes. Like i said we pay your wages.

Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.

Therein lies the problem.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:57 pm

Imperiatom wrote:
Vazdania wrote:go ahead?


Ok what is your favorite god smiting people story?

hmmm.....Lets see................... :o IVE GOT IT! THE FLOOD!
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 09, 2013 5:57 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.

Therein lies the problem.

Yes, my moms side is mostly Native American, how horrible, it's actually epic.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:57 pm

New haven america wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
So we are paying for your benefits through our taxes. Like i said we pay your wages.

Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Imperiatom
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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 5:58 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_o ... ing_people

Contradictions:

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." -1 Kings 7 23

Rational Wiki=super biased source that is totally fail.


A total fail that happens to be lifted straight out of the old testament. Unless you now think the old testament is lying?

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Postby Lemanrussland » Thu May 09, 2013 5:58 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Rational Wiki=super biased source that is totally fail.

How that article biased?

Because it contradicts his opinion.

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Postby Imperiatom » Thu May 09, 2013 5:58 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well my family doesn't have to pay taxes, so I wouldn't know how that feels.

Therein lies the problem.


This.

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Postby Tyriece » Thu May 09, 2013 5:58 pm

And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Tyriece wrote:And yet another thread taken over by Atheists/Christians talking about how much they believe/don't believe in god. When will you nonreligious/religious people get it...

When religion ceases to exist, I will stop.
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Semantics. Then they were all called Messianic Jews. Still Jewish.

Messianic Jews STILL need to follow the Law.

Not so. They may if they want to. But they do not need to. Paul explains this in his letter to (I think) the Romans. It is because salvation and righteousness does not come through following the law, but having faith, as argued by citing Genesis in which Abraham had faith in God and was considered righteous (even before the circumsicion). He argues that the only reason the law was made was to be a physical reminder of faith, but if you have faith without following the law, then there is no need to follow it.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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