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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:22 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:what difference does that make? Yes he was a Jew, the laws applied to him. They don't apply to gentiles.

Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.

A gentile CANT follow the laws. They most certainly can try, but its basically an Orange trying to be an apple.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:23 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.

A gentile CANT follow the laws. They most certainly can try, but its basically an Orange trying to be an apple.

My vegetarian friend has never eaten pork. He is an atheist.

Your argument is invalid.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:24 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:A gentile CANT follow the laws. They most certainly can try, but its basically an Orange trying to be an apple.

My vegetarian friend has never eaten pork. He is an atheist.

Your argument is invalid.

:palm:
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Lemanrussland
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Postby Lemanrussland » Thu May 09, 2013 5:24 pm

Define "rich" and "poor". I am quite wealthy compared to most people in the world, but not compared to my countrymen.

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Conquered Antarctic Lands
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Postby Conquered Antarctic Lands » Thu May 09, 2013 5:25 pm

Jassysworth 1 wrote:I choose to kill the poor...

The economic disruption is less. The poor are poor because their labor and the service they provide to the economic system is relatively replaceable/less valuable. Getting rid of them may cause trouble but it won't cause an economic breakdown...

Getting rid of ''all business owners, capitalists, upper-middle class individuals and the wealthy''? Yeah that will cause maximum economic and social disruption.

This. However, I would feel regret for doing such a thing to the poor people.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:25 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:My vegetarian friend has never eaten pork. He is an atheist.

Your argument is invalid.

:palm:

You claimed that it is impossible for a gentile to follow the laws.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:25 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :palm:

You claimed that it is impossible for a gentile to follow the laws.

*sigh* if only non-believers could actually understand.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:You claimed that it is impossible for a gentile to follow the laws.

*sigh* if only non-believers could actually understand.

Then explain.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:How?

Regnum Dominae wrote:How?


Pledge of Alligience. Minimal prayer time for students who pray at specific times during the day. Some schools ban religious symbols. Militarily members are sometimes banned from prayer. No religious symbols what so ever in public, etc etc...

I disagree with the Pledge of Alllegiance as well, because I do not want to pledge allegiance to any nation, and lo, I never said it, and never got in trouble for it. Students are free to pray when they need to, it just cannot be run by the teachers, and it cannot cause disruption (which can be worked out between that student and the teacher). Are you freaking kidding me? The U.S. military is the most evengelical institution in the government. Seriously, ask anybody who has been in the army. It has a facade of secularity, because it has a tendency to play favorites.

The underlined is not true at all. You are free to wear your cross wherever you please. However, there should be no religious symbols in public institutions because they should cater to ALL religious denominations.
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:*sigh* if only non-believers could actually understand.

Then explain.

While he may not be violating the law, he cannot 'follow' it.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:Define "rich" and "poor". I am quite wealthy compared to most people in the world, but not compared to my countrymen.


When you listen to make it rain, it's either this fantasy or just another day in the week. If it's the former, you're poor. If the latter, you're rich.

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.

A gentile CANT follow the laws. They most certainly can try, but its basically an Orange trying to be an apple.

Then again, even most Jews cannot follow the laws... so that doesn't really mean much.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:what difference does that make? Yes he was a Jew, the laws applied to him. They don't apply to gentiles.

Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.

Uh... dude... Leviticus ain't Jesus.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Then explain.

While he may not be violating the law, he cannot 'follow' it.

If you are obeying all the laws (although I think you would have to be a fucking masochist to do it) how are you not "following" it?
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Seperates wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.

Uh... dude... Leviticus ain't Jesus.

Derp. I meant the teachings of Judaism, which Jesus builds on.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:31 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:While he may not be violating the law, he cannot 'follow' it.

If you are obeying all the laws (although I think you would have to be a fucking masochist to do it) how are you not "following" it?

:P see this is where it becomes hard to explain.

A Jew can follow the law by obeying it
A gentile cannot follow the law even though they obey it.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:31 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:If you are obeying all the laws (although I think you would have to be a fucking masochist to do it) how are you not "following" it?

:P see this is where it becomes hard to explain.

A Jew can follow the law by obeying it
A gentile cannot follow the law even though they obey it.

Prove it.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:31 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote::P see this is where it becomes hard to explain.

A Jew can follow the law by obeying it
A gentile cannot follow the law even though they obey it.

Prove it.

No.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:32 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:If you are obeying all the laws (although I think you would have to be a fucking masochist to do it) how are you not "following" it?

:P see this is where it becomes hard to explain.

A Jew can follow the law by obeying it
A gentile cannot follow the law even though they obey it.

And now you are just playing around with synonyms.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:33 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote::P see this is where it becomes hard to explain.

A Jew can follow the law by obeying it
A gentile cannot follow the law even though they obey it.

And now you are just playing around with synonyms.

its very difficult to explain, and I don't know if non believers are capable of understanding it.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:34 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:And now you are just playing around with synonyms.

its very difficult to explain, and I don't know if non believers are capable of understanding it.

If you don't explain, we can't even attempt to understand.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Melcrosia
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Postby Melcrosia » Thu May 09, 2013 5:34 pm

If you destroy the rich, you would have poor people running apple, Microsoft, Google,Nfl, TV, fedex, and sooooooo many more

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 09, 2013 5:35 pm

Kill all the rich, they don't do anything.
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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:35 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:its very difficult to explain, and I don't know if non believers are capable of understanding it.

If you don't explain, we can't even attempt to understand.

:P its difficult to explain.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu May 09, 2013 5:36 pm

George Lincoln Rockwells legacy wrote:
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I'd choose rich, but, uh, I'm upper middle class myself, so, uh, I could ask if I could spare the upper middle class since we aren't as evil as the evil bourgeoisie. If they say no, then I'd ask if I could execute Conservatives.



Why do you liberals hate free speech? and bourgeoisie means Upper Middle Class and no class is evil. Life is not a class struggle

The only evil class is the priest class which are communist and left wing fascist

You really shouldn't use words if you don't know what they mean.
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