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Would you kill all rich people or all poor people?

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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:So even the secular is beautiful?

no.

Then what is beautiful?
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:09 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:no.

Because?

because.
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Postby Immoren » Thu May 09, 2013 5:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then we turn them into wine.

alcohol is horrible.

No it's not. I can't ave normal social life qwithout it.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Because?

because.

That's not an argument.

I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:13 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Only applies to Jews. It doesn't apply to Gentiles.

Prove it.

the 613 Laws were specifically made for Jews and Jews alone. "Hear O Israel..." "Speak to the Children of Israel..." Gentiles couldn't keep the laws so there is no reason to assume that it applied to anyone other than Jews. The Gentiles had 7 laws to live by and that's it.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:13 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Prove it.

the 613 Laws were specifically made for Jews and Jews alone. "Hear O Israel..." "Speak to the Children of Israel..." Gentiles couldn't keep the laws so there is no reason to assume that it applied to anyone other than Jews. The Gentiles had 7 laws to live by and that's it.

Yes, I have heard that. Now prove it.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:14 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:because.

That's not an argument.

I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.

that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.
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Postby Seperates » Thu May 09, 2013 5:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:That's not an argument.

I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.

that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.

Such as?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:That's not an argument.

I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.

that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.

How?
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:15 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:the 613 Laws were specifically made for Jews and Jews alone. "Hear O Israel..." "Speak to the Children of Israel..." Gentiles couldn't keep the laws so there is no reason to assume that it applied to anyone other than Jews. The Gentiles had 7 laws to live by and that's it.

Yes, I have heard that. Now prove it.

Hear o Israel and Speak to the Children of Israel are all that's needed? The Children of Israel are Jews, and so is Israel, it is the Nation. Israel at the time would not have included gentiles in the commandment.
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Postby Phocidaea » Thu May 09, 2013 5:17 pm

If I had to choose a target, how about "the rich"?

Without "the poor", pretty much all domestic production would grind to a halt, the living conditions of both "the rich" and the middle class would head into a tailspin, and middle class professionals would have to take up menial low-wage jobs to support the economy, which they would be quite unhappy to do, and likely riot.

Without "the rich", since the middle class and "the poor" are responsible for the actual production, it wouldn't really be damaged as much, and only the financial sector would actually be hurt. Even there there would just be some empty positions for the middle class and "the poor" to fill. Let's face it, stock trading doesn't require a Ph.D., no matter what they'd like you to think.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:18 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.

How?

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.

How?


Pledge of Alligience. Minimal prayer time for students who pray at specific times during the day. Some schools ban religious symbols. Militarily members are sometimes banned from prayer. No religious symbols what so ever in public, etc etc...
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Yes, I have heard that. Now prove it.

Hear o Israel and Speak to the Children of Israel are all that's needed? The Children of Israel are Jews, and so is Israel, it is the Nation. Israel at the time would not have included gentiles in the commandment.

And Jesus was a Jew, a child of Israel.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby United Paradisia » Thu May 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Phocidaea wrote:If I had to choose a target, how about "the rich"?

Without "the poor", pretty much all domestic production would grind to a halt, the living conditions of both "the rich" and the middle class would head into a tailspin, and middle class professionals would have to take up menial low-wage jobs to support the economy, which they would be quite unhappy to do.

Without "the rich", there would just be some empty positions for the middle class and "the poor" to fill. Let's face it, stock trading doesn't require a Ph.D., no matter what they'd like you to think.


True, but it would be interesting to watch the world adapt without low skilled workers
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Postby Derpocracy of Derp » Thu May 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Phocidaea wrote:If I had to choose a target, how about "the rich"?

Without "the poor", pretty much all domestic production would grind to a halt, the living conditions of both "the rich" and the middle class would head into a tailspin, and middle class professionals would have to take up menial low-wage jobs to support the economy, which they would be quite unhappy to do.

Without "the rich", there would just be some empty positions for the middle class and "the poor" to fill. Let's face it, stock trading doesn't require a Ph.D., no matter what they'd like you to think.



Actully without the rich the whole economy will collapse with out the poor a whole economy would collapse without the middle class


We need the rich or we will die we need the poor or we will die we need them all!

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 09, 2013 5:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:That's not an argument.

I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.

that's such a fat joke. I'm clearly being acute.

But on the other hand. Secular governments today tend to push the non-theist views on theists.

What non-theist views? Equality? Liberty? Banning the killing of teh gayz?
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Postby Vazdania » Thu May 09, 2013 5:20 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Hear o Israel and Speak to the Children of Israel are all that's needed? The Children of Israel are Jews, and so is Israel, it is the Nation. Israel at the time would not have included gentiles in the commandment.

And Jesus was a Jew, a child of Israel.

what difference does that make? Yes he was a Jew, the laws applied to him. They don't apply to gentiles.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:20 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:How?

Regnum Dominae wrote:How?


Pledge of Alligience. Minimal prayer time for students who pray at specific times during the day. Some schools ban religious symbols. Militarily members are sometimes banned from prayer.

I never heard anything about students banned from prayer. It's just not allowed to be teacher led or school sponsored. (as it should be. public schools need to be a secular institution)
And the pledge of alliegence? That thing where YOU are ramming your bullshit down OUR throat by forcing us to say "under god"?
No religious symbols what so ever in public, etc etc...

Yes, the French are stupid, I already knew that. :p
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Postby Kazarogkai » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

The rich are usually far more educated than the extreme poor I want people who are educated if I need to maintain and/or rebuild humanity so as such I will keep them alive. Plus I am Fascist what you expect me to choose? I will not wipe out my center of support for people who are my enemies and only will undermine me.

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Postby Voldoviana » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

The wealthy, since they can preserve human culture that isn't from the last year. The poor would be clamoring to take cars and iPods and shit with them, the rich would take the libraries and museums.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:How?

Regnum Dominae wrote:How?


Pledge of Alligience. Minimal prayer time for students who pray at specific times during the day. Some schools ban religious symbols. Militarily members are sometimes banned from prayer. No religious symbols what so ever in public, etc etc...

I'm confused.
Those are about separation of church and state, or not wasting exorbitant amounts of time.
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Postby Ponderosa » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Juche Union wrote:I think that all the wealthy should be eradicated. They have consistently oppressed the poor and working classes throughout history, and so for revolution to take place the upper class must be destroyed! It shall be a good day when they are annihilated.


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This isn't an RP forum. If you actually believe this, I feel sorry for you.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:And Jesus was a Jew, a child of Israel.

what difference does that make? Yes he was a Jew, the laws applied to him. They don't apply to gentiles.

Therefore to be a follower of Jesus, you would have to follow his teachings. Which include Leviticus.
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Postby Kalckalinkd » Thu May 09, 2013 5:22 pm

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I'd annihilate the poor, because I'd rather have me and my family stay alive.

Agreed. And also, the rich need to stay alive for they are the job creators, the cogs in the global economic machine. If those cogs simply dissapeared, then the machine would break.

And on the bright side, poverty will have been eradicated. Sounds heartless, but y'know.


Same here

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