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Did the US supply weapons?

Postby Call to power » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:27 pm

Query: I've heard talk of the US having supplied weapons to Germany during both World wars is this true? I'm just asking because google is of no help (as it would be if you type American and Germany in search tbh)

feel free to discuss American justification for such actions and if the US arms sales to the western powers allowed German U-boats the excuse to attack shipping and such

not that I'm suggesting Britain didn't at least trade rubber for iron sights with Germany during WWI its more interest
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Postby Yootopia » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:31 pm

Call to power wrote:Query: I've heard talk of the US having supplied weapons to Germany during both World wars is this true? I'm just asking because google is of no help (as it would be if you type American and Germany in search tbh)

I believe Ford set up truck factories in Nazi Germany just before the war kicked off that led to some Fords being used by Germans and all that, not to mention IBM's role in the recording of the victims of the concentration camps. As to US-German relations in the first war - considering that the Germans sent a submarine over to the US to pick up various goods, aye there was certainly at least a bit of trade going on.
feel free to discuss American justification for such actions

The money, I'd imagine.
not that I'm suggesting Britain didn't at least trade rubber for iron sights with Germany during WWI its more interest

That deal was cancelled in the end, although I forget which side did the cancelling.
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Postby Call to power » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Yootopia wrote:That deal was cancelled in the end, although I forget which side did the cancelling.


turns out the Huns didn't agree with how well our snipers shot
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Is this for homework or something.
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Postby Soratsin » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:40 pm

We definitely did in the first world war, I think during the second there were a few private citizens that supplied the Nazis but not the government.
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Postby Dododecapod » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:42 pm

What need for justification? In both WW1 and WW2 the US was a strictly neutral power (legally) until forced into the war - in the first by our war-mongering idiot of a President, Wilson, and in the second by being attacked by the Japanese. Neutral powers are perfectly allowed to trade with belligerants, there is nothing wrong with them doing so.
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Postby Almagarde » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:44 pm

Actually the poster boy...George W. Bush. His grandfather was charged with such a crime.

And they spent the next two generations smashing the USA from the top job.


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Postby Maurepas » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:36 pm

We technically traded with both sides during both Wars before we entered...back then, the United States was governed by a more sane neutrality policy...

However, both times, Germany decided it didnt like the fact that we also traded with Britain, and we decided we liked you Limeys and Frogs a little bit more than the Huns, so we ended up going to war anyway, :p
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Postby Call to power » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:37 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:Is this for homework or something.
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naw just ripping the piss out of the US mostly

Dododecapod wrote:What need for justification? In both WW1 and WW2 the US was a strictly neutral power (legally) until forced into the war - in the first by our war-mongering idiot of a President, Wilson, and in the second by being attacked by the Japanese. Neutral powers are perfectly allowed to trade with belligerants, there is nothing wrong with them doing so.


do you not think Germany had every right to attack shipping that was supplying its enemies then? its a bit rich to think that your ships should be invulnerable to German attack if they are participating in a war against it
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Postby Almagarde » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:03 pm

Maurepas wrote:We technically traded with both sides during both Wars before we entered...back then, the United States was governed by a more sane neutrality policy...

However, both times, Germany decided it didnt like the fact that we also traded with Britain, and we decided we liked you Limeys and Frogs a little bit more than the Huns, so we ended up going to war anyway, :p



There is nothing neutral about selling arms to both sides and profiting from the carnage of escalation...lets face it - the USA was and continues to be a 'Third faction' with its own agenda (like the Brotherhood of Nod).

That sounds like an awesome idea for a WW2 movie... :bow:

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Postby Brogavia » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:19 pm

Almagarde wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We technically traded with both sides during both Wars before we entered...back then, the United States was governed by a more sane neutrality policy...

However, both times, Germany decided it didnt like the fact that we also traded with Britain, and we decided we liked you Limeys and Frogs a little bit more than the Huns, so we ended up going to war anyway, :p



There is nothing neutral about selling arms to both sides and profiting from the carnage of escalation...lets face it - the USA was and continues to be a 'Third faction' with its own agenda (like the Brotherhood of Nod).

That sounds like an awesome idea for a WW2 movie... :bow:



We didn't really favor one side, so it is neutral. As you all know, this how it went down verbatim.

America: "yo dude we gunna sell you stuff"
Germany: "only if you stop selling to the brits and froggies."
America: "no "
Germany "then well sink your ships"
America: "if you do it we'll kick your ass"
Germany: *sinks american shipping* suck it"
America: "you just fucked yourself, man." *kicks ass and takes names*
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Brogavia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We technically traded with both sides during both Wars before we entered...back then, the United States was governed by a more sane neutrality policy...

However, both times, Germany decided it didnt like the fact that we also traded with Britain, and we decided we liked you Limeys and Frogs a little bit more than the Huns, so we ended up going to war anyway, :p



There is nothing neutral about selling arms to both sides and profiting from the carnage of escalation...lets face it - the USA was and continues to be a 'Third faction' with its own agenda (like the Brotherhood of Nod).

That sounds like an awesome idea for a WW2 movie... :bow:



We didn't really favor one side, so it is neutral. As you all know, this how it went down verbatim.

America: "yo dude we gunna sell you stuff"
Germany: "only if you stop selling to the brits and froggies."
America: "no "
Germany "then well sink your ships"
America: "if you do it we'll kick your ass"
Germany: *sinks american shipping* suck it"
America: "you just fucked yourself, man." *kicks ass and takes names*


Yes,they should make a movie script entitling all of this. Oh, wait they have and many of them. :p
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Postby The Norse Hordes » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:36 pm

Soratsin wrote:We definitely did in the first world war, I think during the second there were a few private citizens that supplied the Nazis but not the government.



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Postby South Lorenya » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm

IIRC they did trade with both sides in each war (before joiningl, of coruse), but in both cases the vast majority of their tarding was with the UK & such.
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Postby Takaram » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:47 pm

Indeed, before America entered the wars, we were neutrally trading with both sides. Most of our trade went to the allies both times, but we still did some trade with Germany both times.

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Postby Fighter4u » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:49 pm

In WW1 Germany has the U-boat blockade of Britain on the go that was killing a few Americans and cutting in on the American profits. Considering that Britain had a naval blockade of Germany first and starved almost a million civilians to death( including months after the war to force them to accept the grossly unfair peace treaty imposed on them).

I say both sides were just as bad. It just that the yanks like the Brits more. And Germany was killing a few yankees.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:50 pm

i know we did before the war
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:52 pm

Almagarde wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We technically traded with both sides during both Wars before we entered...back then, the United States was governed by a more sane neutrality policy...

However, both times, Germany decided it didnt like the fact that we also traded with Britain, and we decided we liked you Limeys and Frogs a little bit more than the Huns, so we ended up going to war anyway, :p



There is nothing neutral about selling arms to both sides and profiting from the carnage of escalation...lets face it - the USA was and continues to be a 'Third faction' with its own agenda (like the Brotherhood of Nod).

That sounds like an awesome idea for a WW2 movie... :bow:

Meh, its neutral, because we didnt support one side over the other...Profit had nothing to do with it...Is it rather immoral? Yeah, most likely, but, it has no bearing on neutrality...

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Postby Fredrikshamn » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:54 pm

Call to power wrote:Query: I've heard talk of the US having supplied weapons to Germany during both World wars is this true? I'm just asking because google is of no help (as it would be if you type American and Germany in search tbh)

feel free to discuss American justification for such actions and if the US arms sales to the western powers allowed German U-boats the excuse to attack shipping and such

not that I'm suggesting Britain didn't at least trade rubber for iron sights with Germany during WWI its more interest


of course its true, just like we supplied weapons, money and means to Saddam Hussain and to Osama Bin Laden....

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Postby Yootopia » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:57 pm

Almagarde wrote:There is nothing neutral about selling arms to both sides and profiting from the carnage of escalation...lets face it - the USA was and continues to be a 'Third faction' with its own agenda (like the Brotherhood of Nod).

That sounds like an awesome idea for a WW2 movie... :bow:

Err it goes down like this -

- Britain wins the Battle of Britain
- The Russians still beat the Germans
- The Tricky Japanese Types Attack Us And Get Beaten Back Through Burma, Thailand becomes more awesome as a result.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:22 pm

The fat documentary maker who has a tendency to be dishonest in his documentaries made one about how all these big US companies helped Germany during the second world war.

It is probably more of a case of trade and establishment before the war.

It is similar to how Australia sold a lot of Pig Iron to Japan in the 30's which was made into planes and ships.

I imagine the same thing is happening now with our trade with China.
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Postby Dododecapod » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:54 am

Dododecapod wrote:What need for justification? In both WW1 and WW2 the US was a strictly neutral power (legally) until forced into the war - in the first by our war-mongering idiot of a President, Wilson, and in the second by being attacked by the Japanese. Neutral powers are perfectly allowed to trade with belligerants, there is nothing wrong with them doing so.


do you not think Germany had every right to attack shipping that was supplying its enemies then? its a bit rich to think that your ships should be invulnerable to German attack if they are participating in a war against it


Why do you think I have any problem with that? Read my post. I don't give a damn about the Lusitania; I'm much more annoyed at that fucking moron Woodrow Wilson who got a lot of Americans killed for nothing. We had no business EVER getting involved in WWI.
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:12 am

The father of Oliver North sold some V1s to the Nazi Germans, no? :blink:

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